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Old 03-06-2010, 06:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thought this article that I copied was good, I'd like to know your thoughts on it....

Raver's T-3 article

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This is one of my favorite articles. Here is what I have of it. I thought it would be a nice addition

Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as **** in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3
 



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Old 03-06-2010, 06:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Saw it at Prom.... Good read. Reps..... Me and Prime were talking about T3 earlier actually
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What do you think about the dosages tho?? If you weigh 200lbs then use 200mcg of T3, seems a lot?
 
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Yea I would not go over 50mcg a day.... 200mcg is insane.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I wonder if it works and what it'll do to ya?! Would it be that bad????????? People are saying that T3 doesn't hurt your thyroids production. Well, it will start working properly again once you stop taking t3...
 
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some ppl say you need to ramp up and ramp down, others say you can quit cold turkey and the thyroid will recover, there are certain supplements that can supposedly be used as a thyroid pct....your best bet is to start off with a small dose 25-50mcgs and check your results...personally if i ran it i wouldnt go above 100 mcgs and i would use the ramp up and ramp down protocol
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some ppl say you need to ramp up and ramp down, others say you can quit cold turkey and the thyroid will recover, there are certain supplements that can supposedly be used as a thyroid pct....your best bet is to start off with a small dose 25-50mcgs and check your results...personally if i ran it i wouldnt go above 100 mcgs and i would use the ramp up and ramp down protocol
Thats how I used t3 the last time, I started on 12.5mcg then steadily ramped up in 12.5mcg increments until I reached 100mcg then steadily ramped back down to 12.5mcg.

It's just the whole 1mcg per lb of bodyweight got me thinking. I'd love to know how bad it is for you, and how well it works lol
 
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Thats how I used t3 the last time, I started on 12.5mcg then steadily ramped up in 12.5mcg increments until I reached 100mcg then steadily ramped back down to 12.5mcg.

It's just the whole 1mcg per lb of bodyweight got me thinking. I'd love to know how bad it is for you, and how well it works lol
i think at that point youd lose a ton of total weight---good combo of LBM and Fat mass, 100 mcgs is probably a good spot for anyone....i wouldnt run t3 for more than 6-8 weeks either, with a good diet/cardio/training t3 would only be an added benefit
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True, like the article says...'DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat '. Need to be on ton of gear to keep it from burning away too much LBM. I dont really want like the skinny look. I dont think I'll be using myself as a test subject anytime soon, I'll be staying with the same method that I done before!!
 
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that is terrible.
preaching bull**** to make you think it's correct.
drink 2 - 3 shakes and eat a whopper...abd the person thinks he does that he must take what this says...lmao **** that 200mcg your ****ed you might aswell piss on your thyroid or gargle hydrochloric acid.
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hahaha take it you think it's a bad idea lol - thats all I needed to hear!!
 
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i'll give you a t3 and clen cycle when ever you need it.
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On the article you posted, you say take 5 to 12 clen tablets a day. Is that 40mcg tablets?
 
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Remember it's not my article... But from what he says in the post, I think he's talking about 20mcg tabs...200lb man takes 200mcg which would be 10 tabs.
 
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