need some pct advice

scrapping_irish · 11-14-2009, 03:49 PM

Hey everyone, I need some real pct advice. I have 4 years of lifting and plenty of ph experience under my belt diet and all that I have down. What im lacking in is pct info. I have read soo many different things on the subject and just want some good advice from someone who has the experience. I ran a cycle of spawn, p-plex everything was great gained 20lbs and was strong as hell. coming off was the bad part about 3/4 of the way through my cycle i completely lost my sex drive, got a huge lump in my pec. When i completely came off I used reversitol, and extreme test. The lump in my pec went away after about a week but my sex drive was suppressed for about 2 months. Now that im finally back to normal im going to go on another run with spawn and p-plex but i want to be better prepared this time What would be a good pct??

jason newman · 11-14-2009, 03:56 PM

cant u get your hands on a SERM?

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-14-2009, 03:58 PM

SERMS:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20 due to the lumps. Start PCT two days after last pill.

Never use OTC hormonal recovery. They aren't strong enough for what your dealing with.

BTW, state your stats: height, weight, and age.

scrapping_irish · 11-14-2009, 04:13 PM

im not sure if i can get a serm i think can order them online off this Canadian website, and if i did get one which one would be best? I heard clomid is best for tren products but i have no clue, and can you stack serms like clomid and nolva?

age 22
weight 220
ht- 5'10

**projecthatch92** · 11-14-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

SERMS:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20 due to the lumps. Start PCT two days after last pill.

Never use OTC hormonal recovery. They aren't strong enough for what your dealing with.

BTW, state your stats: height, weight, and age.

I agree with what HP has said. I use clomid for my PCT and have never had issues. The only thing is that I would start it the day after your last pill.

You can easily find clompihene citrate. Just got to search a little bit for it.

What were you dosing the pplex at? Stack that with Spawn is a pretty wicked cycle. I would make sure you have some type of cycle support during your next one. I recommend Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assit for any cycle you do.

Your sex drive is pretty much going to be shut down from any type of PH you take, but that's why you get the proper SERM to help fix that.

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-14-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrapping_irish

im not sure if i can get a serm i think can order them online off this Canadian website, and if i did get one which one would be best? I heard clomid is best for tren products but i have no clue, and can you stack serms like clomid and nolva?

age 22
weight 220
ht- 5'10

Well if your experiencing Gyno then stack the Nolva.
Clomid is better for restoring natty test levels.
If you can't get ahold of any, then don't cycle until you can.

lil_big_junior · 11-14-2009, 07:50 PM

Just like Test is the base of all Steroid cycles...Clomid is and should be the base of all PCTs. Clomid IS PCT. Anything else that's needed in PCT, IE Nolva, A'dex etc...simply add to it

COSIGN Pride

**projecthatch92** · 11-14-2009, 07:55 PM

Cosign LBJ.

HP and I were just discussing PCT. I tried Nolva for one of my PCT's, then Clomid for the other one. My body responded much better to the clomid, much better. IMO it all depends on the person and how they're going to react, but I think clomid is the best.

animal1918 · 11-14-2009, 11:55 PM

You MUST have a serm for a cycle like that and as some one else has already stated make sure your taking the rite support while on life support,grape seed,and liv 52 started two weeks prior to cycle and continued therw out...as far as pct a lot as been made about pct and estrogen control or more so gyno but pct frist function to kick start your natty test production its always going to be easier to main tain those gains when you can get that production back faster clomid and nolva don't do a cycle with out it

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 01:38 PM

thanks for all this info im, definitely going to follow the advice, after my next cycle if i can get them ill stack clomid and nolva but how much of each should I take? I also heard this stuff called sustain alpha was pretty good to throw in there to help rebound the natty test any word??

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 02:34 PM

Read my 3rd post.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 03:00 PM

got ya, when you say 50/50/25/25 you mean 50mg a day for 2 weeks and 25 for 2 correct? sounds like a lot.

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 03:10 PM

Yes, that's actually not a lot at all. I've seen people do 150mg-300mg a day. The sides on those dosages are horrible and not worth it.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 03:52 PM

seriously thank you for this info!! I've been getting bull**** advice from the local retards at my gym, who im coming to find out dont know their head from their ass, and think they know everything cuz they have use gear a fue times

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 03:53 PM

Glad we could help you out bro.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 03:55 PM

i heard nolva and clomid arnt controlled substances so you can purchase them legally online, is this true?? And whats the word on sustain alpha its sold on this site i heard its real good to add to your pct to help jack up the sex drive.

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrapping_irish

i heard nolva and clomid arnt controlled substances so you can purchase them legally online, is this true?? And whats the word on sustain alpha its sold on this site i heard its real good to add to your pct to help jack up the sex drive.

Sustain Alpha is g2g. Nolva and Clomid are illegal without a prescription.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:02 PM

after this next ph run im going to try to get my hands on the real deal and give that a try, im going to wait till close to summer so my body will be totally back to normal by that point. What would be a good stack for me to grab, I have amazing results on the tren based prohormones so i was thinking tren. What would be a soild stack to take with minimal side effects.

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 04:09 PM

Tren is the harshest anabolic steroid out to date, and is NOT for beginners. Give me your stats: age, height, weight, and goals. Then we'll determine from there if your ready.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:18 PM

age 22
ht 5'10
wt 220

preacher- 135
leg press- 1100
flat dumbell press- pair of 135's
my goals are to get stronger, hit 230 for wt and shave a little body fat

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 04:21 PM

Your goals are to gain 10 pounds and you want to rely on steroids to do this?

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:25 PM

i would like to gain as much as i can, i hit what i want and its just never good enough. i want to gain as much as i can

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 04:31 PM

Test E 500mg PW splitting dosages 250 on Mon. & Fri.
Dbol @ 30mg-50mg ED weeks 1-4

Read the steroid stickies and grab your PCT before ordering gear.
Make sure your diet is solid or the steroids won't be as effective.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:32 PM

i know what im doing as far as nutrition and exercise go, and on top of that i work in a lab so i just draw my own blood and run it so i can keep an eye on myself and on top of that my girl is a micro biologist if i do get gear she can run it and tell if its real or not

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:37 PM

i just need as much education from you guys on the gear/pct side of it

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrapping_irish

i know what im doing as far as nutrition and exercise go, and on top of that i work in a lab so i just draw my own blood and run it so i can keep an eye on myself and on top of that my girl is a micro biologist if i do get gear she can run it and tell if its real or not

Good for you, but just because you work in a "lab" and you draw your own blood doesn't mean you know a good amount about steroids. I mean come on bro you asked if Tren would be a great way to start a real cycle... and you were also comparing Tren Prohormones to the actual real Trenbolone. And on top of that you were asking about PCT dosages. IMO you have LOTS of research to do before you get started. We can give you legit advice on what to do, but I'm not going to preach to you all you need to know to start your first cycle.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:40 PM

how do i go about finding a good sight to buy from, i know i cant ask directly for a site but how would i go about finding one

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-15-2009, 04:40 PM

Can't answer that one buddy.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:41 PM

yeah your totally right i know i do.

scrapping_irish · 11-15-2009, 04:44 PM

yo, thanks alot for the info ill start up a log on my ph cycle once i get everything togeather, damn expencive and i gotta find clomid and nolva, which hopefully wont be too hard.