[Eulo440]

I've always been a hit the gym hard and drink a protein shake kinda guy, but lately I just get pissed seeing all these dudes who are really intense and lookin good because of other supplements so I figured I would epxand my horizon a little bit.
I picked up some Spawn. and some Liver Fix/Hardcore Test to go with it.

What else should I or do I need to take besides Spawn, Hardcore test, liver fix, and my protein shake? Do I need Creatine? or NO?

Any input would be great. Thanks!

Also, I would like to make a post everyday, report my progress once I start my Spawn cycle. If anyone wants to give me input or some constructive criticism at anytime during the cycle I'd be more than happy to read it. I just want to figure out what I should or shouldn't be taking with it before I begin my cycle.

[Gym Warrior]

ok first of all, how old are you? how many years have u been training?

also i would say do more research about prohormones because they shouldnt be messed around with. you would need to take every precaution in regards to this.

i would recommend cycle support for during the cycle. and PCT should be clomid and have some nolva handy just in case.

other than that, do more research bro

[Eulo440]

I'm 24. I've been training since I was 20.
I tried to research but it seems like it's all a bunch of BS...I find conflicting information. So I figured I'd get my answers here from people who are experienced.
What do you think about the Hardcore test?

[Gym Warrior]

Originally Posted by Eulo440

I'm 24. I've been training since I was 20.
I tried to research but it seems like it's all a bunch of BS...I find conflicting information. So I figured I'd get my answers here from people who are experienced.
What do you think about the Hardcore test?

cool...as long as you're willing to learn my man. well the hardcore test seems to be an otc test booster. with Spawn you're going to want to run a SERM post cycle (PCT) to get your natty test levels up. a good SERM is Clomid and Nolva helps with gyno. so far, i wouldnt recommend an otc pct. SERMs have been proven to be better.

Also, look into Cycle Support...it will help out your insides dude. but remember to eat like a beast and train like a beast...thats the best way to get huge.

[Eulo440]

Alright, so I'll look into cycle support. Is it similiar to "Liver Fix"?

So I was thinking:
Days 1-7:
2 Spawn
4 Hardcore test
Standard protein/Liver Fix

Days 8-30:
3 Spawn
6 Hardcore test
Standard protein/Liver Fix


Looking into Cycle support. where would I squeeze that in there...and should it replace Liver fix?

My last question: Do I start up on the Clomid and Nolva day 31? or sometime in the last week or two of the 30 day spawn cycle?

[A-Ron21]

Should be in the steroid section

[teamck16]

I wouldn't take your ph yet. The pct that everyone is talking about -nolvadex and clomid are not legal without a script and so they can be hard to find. YOU DO NEED ONE OR BOTH OF THESE if you want to keep any of your gains.

[HawaiianPride.]

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