1st real AAS cycle,10 week sustanon 300-2 x a week (600mg/week) any advice ???

mr.durden20 · 03-22-2009, 04:57 PM

Hey im sort of new to the gear ive doen anavar only cycles a couple times got decent hard gains but nothing big. im looking in to doing my first test cycle thinking of sustanon and possibly winstrol to get some nice lean gains. also worried about getting gyno so im thinkin about takin nolva throughout my whol cycle aswell as pct. just wonderin how much i should take during, and byt the way im lookin to run the sustanon at 600mg a week, for about 10 weeks and winstrol for about 6 at 60 mg a day (oral).
stats are
5"10
about 172 lbs
not sure about the body fat,got a little fat but not to much at all
diet is pretty clean, i dont really eat junkie food just mainly chicken, eggs, fruits and veggetables n steaks etc.
been workin out for about 4 years and lookin to gain about 10 lbs of mucle or so without any water.
any one got any advice on my cycle??

**Medic08** · 03-22-2009, 06:17 PM

If your taking sust your gonna gain water but you can get some adex to help w/ water retention. A lot of the guys on here arent too fond of winstrol on here, but your dose is good. You are only 172 lbs @ 5'10 then you have plenty of natural growing to do before you use AAS. How old are you? If your gonna run the cycle anyway then make sure to pin the sus 3X's a week b/c it has short esters in it. If you only pin 2X's a week you will not get full results. Oh and I would extend your cycle for 2 more weeks to make it 12 weeks.

Sust 600mg/week MWF 1-12
Winstrol 50mg 1-7weeks

PCT starts 2 weeks after your last pin.
25mg nova
50mg clomid
both for 4 weeks

**Zack** · 03-22-2009, 07:24 PM

You weigh the same as I do and you're about 8" taller... you have room to grow natty.

**Medic08** · 03-22-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack

You weigh the same as I do and you're about 8" taller... you have room to grow natty.

Damn dude your only 5'2?

**Zack** · 03-22-2009, 07:34 PM

Yup. 5'2"... not too tall... practically a midget haha

mr.durden20 · 03-22-2009, 07:34 PM

aright, well either way im probably gonna end up trying some sort of test, ive done quite of bit of research i havent bought anything yet but i have a good source, would sustanon be good for a 1st timer? or should i go with another kind of test? and i am trying to avoid prop due to the fact it has to be taken everyday.and wouldnt nolva help at all with the water retention bcuz its a anti est. and isnt estrogen what causes the water retention?

**Medic08** · 03-22-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.durden20

aright, well either way im probably gonna end up trying some sort of test, ive done quite of bit of research i havent bought anything yet but i have a good source, would sustanon be good for a 1st timer? or should i go with another kind of test? and i am trying to avoid prop due to the fact it has to be taken everyday.and wouldnt nolva help at all with the water retention bcuz its a anti est. and isnt estrogen what causes the water retention?

Prop does not have to be taken ED, it can be shot EOD. And for your first cycle I would just use Test E or C, you will only have to pin this 2X's a week. Like I said above Sus need's to be pinned MWF or EOD.

**Medic08** · 03-22-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack

Yup. 5'2"... not too tall... practically a midget haha

Yea but I bet you look huge at your height. Shi* I weigh 210 and Im 6'0 and I think I just look average. I bet at 170lbs you would look brolic as Fuk.

**Zack** · 03-22-2009, 10:00 PM

haha I'll put up a pic come the first of April for the FMOM... I have one from Feb 08 if you wanna see it.

Big MuMbO jUmBo · 03-22-2009, 11:01 PM

yes zack post that up lol and durden you can run somethin like proviron to help battle the estro sides instead of nolva....bit more expensive but harder gains come along with it i hear......

**Zack** · 03-22-2009, 11:04 PM

This is from Feb 2008. I'm about 10 to 15lbs heavier now with around the same bodyfat.

harmankardon1 · 03-23-2009, 12:30 AM

dont use nolva the whole cycle use it if you get gyno. if your worried about water there are better options as the guys have already mentioned above.

harmankardon1 · 03-23-2009, 12:32 AM

looking thick in that shot zak

mr.durden20 · 03-23-2009, 01:03 AM

thanks for all the advice, i got my winny still debating if i should grab test. someone told me primo400mg/week stacked wih winny 50mg ed is a good cycle for nice lean gains, what would u guys think of that?

mr.durden20 · 03-23-2009, 01:04 AM

*for 10 weeks. (trying to add a bit more size but a shredded look for summer)

harmankardon1 · 03-23-2009, 01:21 AM

your gains wouldnt be very good on that cycle. you should run test in your cycles you obviously want lean gains get some test p and run that with your winny it will be much better. inject the test prop at 100mgs eod ,at this dose your gains will be pretty dry i would go with 10-12 weeks.

Big MuMbO jUmBo · 03-23-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zack

This is from Feb 2008. I'm about 10 to 15lbs heavier now with around the same bodyfat.

your def big.....but i can imagine you look twice that size in person considering your 5'2 lol

motherlover · 11-13-2009, 02:18 AM

Hey guys I recently completed this sust cycle as my first one too. I did 300 twice ew for 10 wks, wish Id have stumbled on this thread sooner for the tip on jabbin more often! Still managed to get some good gains from it tho. Im now 210 Lbs at 5'11, my body fat is still pretty high tho (of which I dont know the exact figure atm).

Anyway I have just started my PCT same as above, but looking for some advice on how long I should leave it before I start cutting. Im guessing same time off as I had on?

For cutting Im thinking of running 100 test p eod for 6 weeks, then a clen/t3 for the last 4 stack with a sh1t load of cardio and a hefty drop in my calorie intake.

Guys please chime in on this and set me right if Im off track.

**HawaiianPride.** · 11-13-2009, 05:48 AM

Make your own thread.