[tps154]

just wondering about winstrol and anavar... would it be worth taking either of these if no other gear was used in the cycle?winny and anavar have the lowest side-effects, but rarely anyone runs either of these without some test. would taking either of these alone in a cycle be worth it? or would the gains be insignificant and a waste of money? thanks

[tylerp]

test is the base of all cycles. got to have it or your be shut dooooowwwwnn.

[Tdubs88]

i would say pointless ...i would run testC and some var...
with the test pin it EOD...

var is pricey so mine aswell get ur moneys worth an add in some..i just picked test C cause i no its commonly used with varr..

[gringo220]

Winny makes your joints hurt. Var is expensive. Both give leaner gains but won't do a whole lot unless your body fat if already low. it's not a good idea to run a cycle wothout test in it because all steroids shut down your natural production of test ant you need it in your body.

1-12 test p 125mg mon,wed,fri
1-6 var 60mg ed
6-12 winny 50mg ed if it;s an oral and 75mg eod if it's injectable.

Start your pct 2 days after your last shot of test and winny.
50mg of clomid ed for 4 weeks.

Keep nolva or adex on hand for estrogen sides. nolva at 20-40mg ed until sides are gone. Adex at .25mg-.5mg until sides are gone.

[Tdubs88]

is there really a big difference from switching the test prop in the cycle to cyp? not tryna argue just seein what ur opinion is on why u choose p...thx

[gringo220]

because test c is more of a bulking steroid and prop gives more of a leaner gain. He already has things listed for giving leaner gains so using cyp would kind of defeat the purpose of them. It's best to try to keep the anabolic/androgenic properties similar to get the most out of them. kind of like it's a good idea to use clen when cutting and not bulking.

[Tdubs88]

gotcha, appriciated

[gringo220]

No problem.

[anthk]

good to see a quality post..gringo

[gringo220]

Thanks buddy!

[prime52]

cosign anthk, solid posting gringo

[prime52]

cosign anthk, solid posting gringo. i try to rep but says i need to spread the wealth haha.

[Grambo]

I will go against the grain here and say if you had some quality anavar (for decent price which is crazy right now) and were looking for lean gains and strength that anavar alone would be worth it. I have done solo cycles twice and loved the outcome. You won't explode but its a pretty nice cycle and I have about 5-6 friends who feel the same.

However you can't beat Var/Test Prop for some good times.

[Medic08]

I always hear about var being so expensive. How much is var roughly for an effective male dose?

[ibanezman88]

you learn something everyday.
thanks gringo

[LIFTBIG18]

Originally Posted by Medic08

I always hear about var being so expensive. How much is var roughly for an effective male dose?

BIG cat profile says anywhere from 300-500$ for 10 tbas ranging from 2.5-5 mgs per tab
anthony roberts profiles at steroid.com say 1$ for every 10mgs

[Grambo]

Effective dose is at least 40-50 minimum, going up to as high as 100 by some. I always did 40-50 and had great results.

Cheapest for var I have seen these days is 30 days at 40mg for 160, tabs double that...... Sucks, long for the "old" days ha

[tps154]

thank you everyone, very good advice gringo... ya money is sort of an issue, so i guess ill hold off on it. i figured test was needed for any cycle, i didnt exactly know why but now i do. thanks again everybody

[anthk]

ive seen var from 10mg x 100 tablets for about $120 (ugl)
and 5mg x 50 for $800 (hospital grade)
just depends what you get and where you go.

[mr.durden20]

-if you have the money for var then by al means go for it, i just finished a 8 week var only cycle at 50 mgs a day and got greeat lean results gained almost an inch on my arms and mucles got more defined and harder looking, im in the same boat as you i think i dont wanna mess with nothing serious just yet so im tryin to use stuff with little side effects, and IMO var does not shut you down

[tps154]

ya thats why i was looking into var or win extensively... i know not everyone gets side effects from certain gear, but i dont wanna be the one that does haha so i looked at the "safest" to use. i gotta find the money and a good source, tho, then ill be ready to run it.

[mr.durden20]

yea good stuff, better off waiting till you know everythin about runnin a serious cycle like pct etc. ive herd stories about people gettin bitch tits and then having to get them sergectly removed, big price to pay for such a small mistake

[tps154]

ya dude, definitely taking it slow and trying to learn as much as possible before making any decisions.

[phluxx]

Originally Posted by mr.durden20

yea good stuff, better off waiting till you know everythin about runnin a serious cycle like pct etc. ive herd stories about people gettin bitch tits and then having to get them sergectly removed, big price to pay for such a small mistake

Not to make light of something as serious as gyno. However, I feel that gyno is something that is made out to be a really scary monster, when in fact it isn't at all. I know everyone is different, but I found that my first cycle, I would get the odd puffy nip, nolva for 1-2 days, and gone. I'm running adex on this cycle, and I have never had the slightest puff. I've never had itchy or painful nipples either. I think if you don't know what you're doing you'll definitely **** yourself up, but if you know your stuff, it really should be a non-issue.

[Grambo]

Not sure exactly what you are looking for but there are some pretty decent and safe designer steroids on the legal market right now as well you may want to look into.