[sozen]

I really only have two burning questions...
I'm 45, I'm starting to feel my age creep up on me. I worked out heavily in my 20's but I'm not a big guy. So I figured it was time to hit the gym again.

I acquired 300 5mg dbols. 100 each from 3 different online sources.
They taste faintly bitter, they dissolve but not quickly, they are nearly impossible to crush under thumb. They look correct, pink all the way through, 5 sided, slot on reverse, arrow, dragon ect... I've been sticking relentlessly to a steady 5 day a week routine for the past 4 months. I started at 30mg went to 40mg per day, pre-workout, on workout days. 20 mg then 30 mg on off days.

I've experienced zero side effects. Happily! But I've also experienced very little growth. No more than I would expect if I were not taking anything. I've gained a few pounds and I am beginning to notice some definition returning, but just not what I expected after four months. Don't get me wrong I know better than to expect miracles overnight but I've been hittin' the gym pretty hard and really stickin' to the program, I really thought I would notice more of a change by now.

My question is what kind of results should I reasonably expect?
and
Are their any other test to insure these are real?

[gringo220]

Well for starters oral only cycles suck. Second is 4 months of a serious routine isnt long at all. You should be training for at least a few years seriously and then consider a cycle. My advice is stop taking them now and research steroids for the next two years then consider them.

[LIFTBIG18]

cosign gringo, at if and when you get your training down at your age you are def a candidate for HRT, as long as blood tests are done, but at 45 youd be surprised what 250mgs of test would do

[sozen]

Thanks for your response guys, I know you’re right, oral only is kinda lame and 4 months is a ridiculously short time frame to expect much.

For me it's all about what I want to accomplish. I don't expect to be able to keep up with you younger guys who are training for competition. I just want to go to Mexico this spring and hit the beach without fear of being harpooned.

My body fat is still around 20% and I've picked up about 5lbs. (I don't feel like it's 5lbs. of muscle either...) even though I've modified my diet to include a ton more protein and very little complex carbs. I'm pyramiding 6 basic exercises on Mon. and Thurs. 6 different exercises on Tues. and Fri. concentrating on more cardio, abs and legs on Weds. Normally 7 sets each (12,10,8,6,8,10,12 reps) That's about as much as I can squeeze into my lunch hour.

I've been outta the groove for quite awhile, it feels good to get back to the gym but I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more on what you wrote BigLift? 250mgs of test, HRT ect...

I'm really not looking for a complex combination of products nor can I'm I willing to tap the family buget much more than I already have. I guess what I really want to know is, shouldn't I have packed on a little more muscle and shed a few more percentage points of fat by now. I was lookin' for a little boost from this Dbol and I'm not feeling much change. I'm begining to think it either not real or Dbol just isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Is a solid 10lb. of lean mass to much to expect?
Should I feel a significant difference after taking them?

[mitbar]

no you shouldnt have put on more mass. with a oral only cycle your going to gain exactly what you have already. dropping bf on just dbol is going to be hard since you upped your food intake and dbol makes you retain water.

lift big was talking about your age and being able to get hormone replacement therapy from you doc. to really gain anything you need atleast 250mg of testosterone every week.

[sozen]

You guys know a lot more about this than I do...
Any other words of wisdom if I don't want to drain the family budget, avoid my overweight, old school doc and still not get harpooned on vacation?

Oh and by-the-way any other test to prove they're real.

By getting back in the weight room, I've kinda rekindled an old passion, I'll stick to the program and I may speak to the old fart (doc) or find another one. That’s a good idea worth considering. Thanks again guys.

[gringo220]

Originally Posted by sozen

You guys know a lot more about this than I do...
Any other words of wisdom if I don't want to drain the family budget, avoid my overweight, old school doc and still not get harpooned on vacation?

Oh and by-the-way any other test to prove they're real.

By getting back in the weight room, I've kinda rekindled an old passion, I'll stick to the program and I may speak to the old fart (doc) or find another one. That?s a good idea worth considering. Thanks again guys.

myadvice is stop taking the dbol. It wont do **** for fat loss. 20% is high so start a thread in the nutrtion section and get help there.

[sozen]

trust me, I'm already workin hard on the nutrition angle. 45 years, 2 wives and 5 kids later, you just can't appreciate the after pic unless you see the before pic. to break 20% is an accomplishment for me. I'm more than ready to move forward into the weight room.
I appeciate you sharing your knowlege and experience though!

[gringo220]

Well then if you got the nutrition down then there's no need for any steroids to get tone. If the diet is right then you won't need anything else but some weights.

[sozen]

I agree gringo results can be had by nutrition and weights alone but I'm not 20 anymore. I'm past my prime, my body just doesn't produce testosterone like it used to, thus is the reason I was looking for an edge in the first place.
Dianabol is touted as one of the strongest most effective steroids ever produced. I thought I must have gotten ripped off when I'm eatin' pretty well, workin' pretty hard and I still didn't see the results I expected. So are my expectations too high or are these fakes? I'm still not sure...
I'm guessing the truth is a little of both. Dbol isn't as effective as I thought, I'm expecting results too soon and I need to stay with it a little longer, eat a little better and work a little harder.
What it is, is what it is and I'm ok with that too.
thanks again for sharing your opinion...

[gringo220]

That's the thing, your body isn't producing as much test as t used to and now you are completly shuting down your test by taking dbol. Just because your body doesn't produce as much test as it used to doesn't mean that your diet won't work. Your body still needs to use a certain amount of calories a day as well as fats,carbs, and proteins. If you limit when and how much you are giving it then it has no other choice but to use up the stored stuff no matter how much test is in your body.

Dbol is great but nowhere near the strongest steroid made. It's a good add on to a test cycle and can kick things a little quicker but alone isn't worth the money. It is usually ran at 50-80mg for 4-6 weeks but 50mg ed for 4 weeks is the most commone. Not really any reason to go over that unless needed.

To be honest you're just shooting yourself in the foot with what you're doing here. You are looking at the dbol as a quick fix for your vacation and that's not reall what steroids are for. Now a proper diet and training routine is what everything body building related is for. By having them down to a science there is no need for steroids to look good for a vacation. And besides 20% bf is kind of high and dbol will do absolutely nothing to "burn" the fat off. If anything it will cause you to get a bunch of estrogen related sides and an ass load of bloat.

To sum it up, drop the dbol because it's useless to you no matter if it is real or not. You most likely don't have a pct lined up do you? Get a strict diet down to 4-6 meals a day and keep them timed out exactly the same every day. Hit up the cardio 3-4 times a week and train 4-5 times a week.

I don't know if you have insurance or not but wait about 3 months and then go to the doc and get your test levels checked. You never know you might have higher test levels then you thought, it happens more then you think. If they're not and they are low then you are a lucky guy and more then likely he/she will prescribe you some test cyp or sust for weekly or bi weekly injections. You will be way better off that way.

[sozen]

I understand your point.
I'm sticking to 4-5 small meals a day at least 5 days a week. heavy on protein, light on carbs and close to the top of the glycemic index. Hitting the gym 5 days a week already. (ok, so I could use a little more cardio)

I would be lying if I said I didn't care what I look like while on vacation but I started the workouts when I started a new job at a place that had a small gym about 4 months ago before planning the vacation. It's not all about the vacation but I gotta admit it's a great motivating factor.

This is the first time I've tried them and I've got 2 days worth of dbol left. I think I'm done with them. Instead, I plan to lighten the weight a little and increase the reps. over the next 90 days and reluctantly increase the cardio. (never had a strong affection for cardio)

This does bring up a couple questions...
have you ever used steroids? Why? What was your motivation?
(you don't need to answer that)
I'm eating right or at least pretty well. I'm exercising daily and it would be nice to look good while on vacation, Not unlike getting ready for a competition. If not now, under what circumstances would Dbol be acceptable?
is there a nature way to increase test levels?
maybe HGH?
is there a different path to increasing results, other than what we've already discussed?
I'll talk to the doc when I return from vacation.
thanks again for writing back, I really am interested in your point of view.

[teflondon]

You have to get your training perfected before messin wit the juice. if you aren't seeing (any) results training naturally then steroids wont just change the world. on the other hand, dbol is an oral steroid, it needs to be ran with TEST. matter of fact for all we are concerned every cycle needs to run test as #1 ingredient. hahah

[gringo220]

Yeah I've done them before. I've done quite a few cycles but haven't done one in about 2 years now. I plan on one as soon as I can get all then add on's that I need. For me they're not as much about looking good for anything particular but instead about just putting on overall size and shape. It's something I want for the long run or as long as I can stay in the gym. I had to take a break so that's why I haven't done them in quite a while but I've been back for well over a year now. You should use them when you have been at it for quite some time and have hit a natural plateau and need the boost. We can only do so much naturally unless you don't expect much to quick and can wait it out for 10 years to get the look you want. Steroids get you past your sticking point a lot faster and get you the body or strength you are aiming for a lot faster. They're not the quick fix though. If you chose to do them it's a comitment to yourself to keep up in the gym, on your diet, and anything else you have to do to keep what you worked so hard for. And yes you still have to work your ass off to get good results even if you are on gear. I have a lot of my life worked out now and don't plan on quitting anytime soon so I'm going to get back into them. I'm fine with it and so is my family so why not, I have nothing holding me back except for a pct and some Ai's..lol..

You should be able to do just fine with cardio and diet. I know cardio sucks but it's a must if you want to cut. I just started back doing it. I usually do cardio in the warmer weather when I can run outside but I'm running on the treadmill in the gym. Would have ran tonight but was on a time schedule and couldn't. I will tomorrow though. Another bit of advice is to put up a post in the nutritiion section on your diet, your marcos and such. There's a few guys here who know more then they should about diets and can be a huge help. Sometimes it's the smaller things that make the biggest difference and I'm sure they'll help you out with a diet that'll get you on track for your goals. Diets are the hardest thing to do in bb'ing but if you want to cut they're the most important. You could have the best routine and rest but if your diet isn't 100% on then the rest suffers.

Do like you said and see the doc when you get back from vacation. Don't go in and say I think I need steroids or anything like that but say you don't feel like you have the energy in you anymore. Say you've been researching things at home and a lot of what you have is a lack of testosterone and you want it checked to make sure it's normal. Say you don't have the energy you used to and your getting weaker even though you haven't changed anything. If it's low then more then likely you'll get a hrt and you'll be surprised what 250mg of test eow will do for you. Let us know how that goes for you.

[sozen]

funny you should mention energy level. It truly has been much lower over the recent months. that's part of the reason I was looking forward to the new job, the gym is a plus for me. I figured it would help the energy level. It has.
at the risk of sounding like a moron, I thought Dbol was a synthetic version of testosterone. Are you telling me I need to acquire test in addition to dbol for the dbol to produce the results I expect.
not sure how to acquire test...
again at the risk of sounding like a total moron, is that the same as HGH?

[gringo220]

lol.. NO not at all. HGH is a hormone all in itself. Steroids are derivitives of either testosterone or estrogen, birth control is a form of a steroid. Only testosterone is a testosterone. Lets say test enanthate or cyponate or proponate are all testosterone's. The rest are forms of other stuff like dihydrotestosteron(Spelling ?) also known as dht and other things. Unless it's a testosterone by itself it won't raise your test levels, that's why doc's give out scripts for testosterone and not any other steroid.Read through the link in my signature, that should answer a lot for you.

[sozen]

thanks for all the helpful info gringo, eveyone else too...
now I'm feeling so Zen (get it? Sooo Z E N, sozen...)
nevermind - good night all.

[gringo220]

lol