first cycle test and deca stack

goodguy19064 · 12-25-2008, 06:58 PM

any thoughts on stacking the two of them?

**ibanezman88** · 12-25-2008, 08:18 PM

they go great together but....

deca is a 19 nor steroid.

i'd say, save that for your second cycle.

you can run dbol for the first 4-6 weeks of your cycle on test if you like. but i don't know what your goals are.

what were you planning on doing?

give us the lowdown including PCT.

for a first cycle, you don't wanna do too much because if you experience some bad side effects, you won't know which one it is.

and actually, to minimise the side effect that you get from prolactin buildup from deca, you'd have to follow a specific protocol.

i think for a first timer, it's best to keep things simpler by just going with just test for 10-12 weeks or using an oral in the first 4-6 weeks if you like.

again, in my personal opinion, i've never done deca but i've heard it's pretty harsh and many people get gyno from it from no knowing what to run with it.

harmankardon1 · 12-25-2008, 10:58 PM

i agree , maybe run some eq @ 4-600mgs with the test that would be a better bet first time out. what are your goals for the cycle ? what doses were you thinking?

**TRiddy05** · 12-25-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by goodguy19064

any thoughts on stacking the two of them?

They're awesome together but I wouldn't recommend it for a first cycle. For one it's just not necessary as you should get excellent growth of test and maybe an oral. But the main reason is that Deca can have some unpleasant sides that you should know how to deal with before running Deca. If you are running both Test and Deca for the first time and run into gyno or other problems then you won't know what to attribute them to, and won't know what to treat them with if you don't know the cause. Pluses for Deca are that it's great for mass (IMO gains are leaner than with test alone), also very good for strength, makes joints feel great, and significantly improves recovery. Some possible negatives are gyno, impotence or complete loss of sex drive (AKA deca ****), depression, acne, difficult recovery, and its slow onset, doesn't really peak till about week 7-8 for me, although effects can be felt much sooner. Honestly, I'm one of the few advocates for Deca on this forum and I wouldn't recommend it for a first cycle. I've run over 20 weeks of it in the past 8 months so obviously I like it but I don't see any reason to run it yet. Good luck with the cycle whatever you decide to run.

**gringo220** · 12-26-2008, 03:57 AM

No reason for nothing but test for a first cycle. Easy as that! Run test at 500mg for 12 weeks and grow like a weed. You honestly don't even need any orals to kick it off either, it's all new to the system so it works great the first time.

**prime52** · 12-26-2008, 02:58 PM

im sitll scared to run the deca hahah, maybe next one. i would like to hit 2 cycles a year and i believe deca is the harshes on recovery

goodguy19064 · 12-27-2008, 10:21 AM

please explain harsh recovery?

LIFTBIG18 · 12-27-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by goodguy19064

please explain harsh recovery?

its a 19nor steroid, b.c of this deca and tren make recovery very tough, and deca for some reason has been shown to cause a harsher recovery than tren, i think its b.c ppl will run deca at a higher dose than they would tren making recovery pretty hard, in my opinion EQ is a better alternative than deca, it allows and increase in LBM w.o the bloat of deca and the gains are easier to keep, o yea and its prolly 1000x easier to recover with

**gringo220** · 12-27-2008, 01:53 PM

Yup. Deca suppresses your hpta more then most steroids so that's why it's harder to recover it or "Harsher" then other steroids.

**ibanezman88** · 12-27-2008, 02:07 PM

basically like Triddy said, it's very common not to be able to "get it up" for a couple weeks after running deca.

goodguy19064 · 12-27-2008, 07:57 PM

what can I take post cycle to help the sides?

**prime52** · 12-27-2008, 09:06 PM

during cabaser and maybe HCG
post cycle clomid and nova

**gringo220** · 12-28-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by goodguy19064

what can I take post cycle to help the sides?

PCT all depends on what you are running exactly and when you stopped taking it. Test E is 2 weeks after last shot and you should stop deca a week or two before you stop your test. Look up the half lifes of steroids and that will explain when to start your pct.

jking1978 · 12-29-2008, 03:20 PM

Like Triddy.. I love too stack test & deca and have had awsome results with them but like everyone has said there are common sides that suck from deca
EQ is a great alternative... and like you have already heard it is better to start with just test for 10-12wks then after that you can stack more...

Drifter · 12-29-2008, 09:38 PM

First I have to ask , whats your trining history like ? your age ? your goals ? your diet ?

I'm a Deca lover , but test and deca might not be what you need for your goals .
It is good that " if " you go on a cycle you are only mentioning two compounds wich means to me your not lookin for a crazy as s first cycle .
The guys are correct when they say you shol tryTest alone first , then if you and your body reacts decent to it , then if you decide to do another cycle , then add the second hormone to it .

Cant really tell you the dose becouse I dont know what your goals are . also what ester of test ?

But .. before you decide , please reserch what your about to get into . aas are not a majic pill that helps you train harder . you train harder to help the aas work