[westside]

Originally Posted by projecthatch92

Good to hear that. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask, this is the place for it!!

Thanks! I am excited to start this ph because I know I will be true to my diet and as always, lifting properly. Also, I will do a PCT for about four weeks or more and then start some gear this summer.

[projecthatch92]

what do you have planned for pct

[westside]

Originally Posted by projecthatch92

what do you have planned for pct

nolva and clomid, 600 6oxo, creatine, etc

[westside]

Is there a better PH or a lot of them I see the same formula but different mg. I researched and found Hemobolin had a couple of more things to offer. What do you think?

[ArmyAthlete26]

Okay, wow, I'm new to this site and man, I've seen a lot of great information, I.E. the posting above.

I don't want to sound like a douch, but I just bought some Epistane (IBE) and Cycle Assist (CEL). I'm pretty much at the weight that I want to be at 205-215 and I haven't started on the Epistane yet. A good friend of mine introduced me to Epistane after I told him that I don't want to use a steriod to dry up or cut up. He said that everyone he knew that took Epistane really liked it and did well with it.

I'm wondering what a good cycle of this Epistane should be and when should i begin taking the Cycle Assist.

i appreciate the help and the info! Thanks!

[projecthatch92]

Glad to see you've done some research before deciding to start your cycle, and you're not a big douche lol. You'd be a douche if you took it not knowing anything about the compound.

Generally you should start taking support supplements 2 weeks in advance of starting your cycle, but IMHO, epistane isn't as harsh as others on the lipids, so starting the cycle assist when you start epistane should be fine.

For a new user like yourself, I would suggest something like this.

Week 1: 20 mg
Week 2: 20 mg
Week 3: 30 mg
Week 4: 30 mg

Use this first cycle to see how your body reacts to these compounds. You can really get some good gains if you focus on your diet and training.

Now with the cycle assist, you'll be taking 2 doses a day of 4 pills, totaling 8 pills a day. Take these about 8 hours apart. I usually took one after breakfast, and then before I went to bed.

Now with the epistane pills, take your doses about 6-8 hours apart, with a meal that is well rounded in protein, carbs, and EFA's (essential fatty acids).

Do you have anything planned yet for your PCT?

[ArmyAthlete26]

Thanks a lot for the quick response, that was exactly what I am looking for.

As for a PCT, no, I haven't really thought about it just yet. I mean I figured I have about 4 weeks of doing the epistane before I need anything. The Cycle Assist also claims to be a good PCT supplement? Any thoughts on that or should I really look into something else?

Also, I have seen two different mothods of taking Epistane. One being everyday and the other being only on days that I workout? Do you have any advice on that? I also want to keep my Cardio and endurance level up. I'm an athlete and I don't want to get big and loose flexability so usually Tuesday and Thursday I will go to the local high school track and run 5 x 100 yrd sprints, 3 x 200 meter sprints, jog half a mile (800 meters) and then I will do some agility and ladder drills to keep up my footwork. I will also then go to the bleachers and run up them to keep up with good stride length. Then I will do some resistance training such as pulling a tire (55 lbs) then I will go hit the sled for 5 x 10 yrds. I'm usually spent at the end of this, but I'm also wondering if I'm doing more harm then good to my muscles considering that I need to give my muscles time to rest. Should I take Epistane each day although tues and thurs are cardio days?

thanks again man for the quick response and the great feedback!

[projecthatch92]

No problem man. That's what we're here for.

What you're talking about is pulsing. Epistane is one compound that a lot of people use as a pulsing cycle. I've never done this and IMO feel that you would get better results with taking it everyday.

Regarding your PCT, this is the first thing that I purchase before anything else! You're spending a bit of money and hardwork on your body, so you want to make sure you can keep all your gains right? RIGHT! A SERM is always recommended for any PH. You don't want to put on lets say 10 lbs from a ph cycle, the lose everything because your PCT wasn't good enough. I would recommend getting some clomid if you can. We aren't allowed to give sources, but you can easily find some if you use your smart little brain

Week 1: 50 mg clomid
Week 2: 50 mg clomid
Week 3: 25 mg clomid
Week 4: 25 mg clomid

[ArmyAthlete26]

Awesome, I just looked into Clomid and being in the medical field I'm sure that I know where to get some :-)

Should I start taking a PCT about a week before I stop using Epistane or should I wait until I stop the cycle completely?!

Thanks again man for all your help, i have the Epistane sitting in front of me and before your replies, I was a little nervous about taking it, but with your info, I'm pretty confident now.

My training is pretty good, I have a pretty good routine so far, so I will see how that goes.

Any advice on the cardio?

Thanks

[projecthatch92]

You should be totally fine with the cardio. The only thing that might affect you is maybe some calf or lower back pumps, but you might not experience them. Everyone is different. I know when I ran an epistane/tren combo, I didn't experience any back pumps. But get ready for some hunger boy! My appetite went through the roof, it was insane.

If you do experience any calf or back pumps, purchase some taurine. Dose 3 grams pre and post workout. It helped me out on my phera plex/tren cycle.

[rIPPDUP]

for all people out there looking to achieve the best gains whilst utilizing ph's make sure that you 1. conduct research prior to the start of your cycle, (by research i also mean getting bloodwork done to get a base as to what happens during you cycle) 2. stack a wet ph with a dry ph (by this i mean a compound that produces more wet gains such as pheraplex, with a compound giving more dry gains such as superdrol). when taking ph's your body will and i repeat will require more food for growth. make sure to eat every few hours. trust me you'll feel as if you're starving. make sure to include pct after cycle is completed, which should include clomid/nolvedex which work best.

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by rIPPDUP

for all people out there looking to achieve the best gains whilst utilizing ph's make sure that you 1. conduct research prior to the start of your cycle, (by research i also mean getting bloodwork done to get a base as to what happens during you cycle) 2. stack a wet ph with a dry ph (by this i mean a compound that produces more wet gains such as pheraplex, with a compound giving more dry gains such as superdrol). when taking ph's your body will and i repeat will require more food for growth. make sure to eat every few hours. trust me you'll feel as if you're starving. make sure to include pct after cycle is completed, which should include clomid/nolvedex which work best.

great post rippdup,

[rIPPDUP]

Originally Posted by mitbar

great post rippdup,

thanks bud

[ArmyAthlete26]

Yeah thanks guys for all the info. That's great stuff, I appreciate it all.

[projecthatch92]

Let us know if you got anymore questions bro, and also let us know how the cycle goes. Maybe start a log and we can help you along the way if any problems arise

[Asim3000]

any advice on how i should dose and stack, Bold and Epistane??? i have nolva and natty test boosters for my PCT along with cycle assist and a regimented and strict diet.
[6' 208 @ 9%BF]

[mitbar]

epi 30mg and bold 600mg-800mg ed.

[ArmyAthlete26]

Alright...don't laugh, I am not a fan of the main stream stuff at GNC either, but I was in their the other day looking for some protien and saw this stuff called "Post Cycle Therapy" by ADS It says:

Drug Supplement Hybrid Technology
DECREASES Cortisol Secretion & Estrogen Receptor Activity
HTP Axis Activator (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testiculat)

5-Alpha-Reductase Enzyme Blocker (Blocks the Conversion of Testosterone to DHT)

Inhibits Estrogen-Receptor α signaling (Blocks the Conversion of Testosterone to DHT)

Helps Repair Chemical Induced Liver Damage
4-WEEK CYCLE

Now, as I've been reading many of the posts here in the Dungeon, I've seen a lot of people on the Clomid or Nolva for their PCT which I'm assuming is wonderful stuff, but I just saw this at GNC and was wondering if anyone has any input on it?

[rIPPDUP]

clomid and nolva are the only standard time proven and true pct out there. i'm sure that bull**** at gnc is great if you aren't doing heavy prohormones or serious cycles. i stick with what i know works.

[ArmyAthlete26]

Okay...now, I don't want to sound stupid, but I've been working out for alittle over 12 years, I mean not consistantly until now, but I've always stayed in shape.

I've also been a huge believer in doing things naturally, so I never really did anything other then your standard Amino's, protiens, blah...blah...blah...

So this is all new to me, so forgive my ignorance on some of these things.

I do have a question in reference to taking a PH or actual steroid.

Since most of or if not all PH or steroid is all anit-estro, and messes with your adrenal glands and is supposed to raise the amount of testostorone/hormones in your body, when you come off of your cycle and you begin your 4-6 week PCT, what happens when you come off your PCT? Is the true purpose of PCT to keep the gains you made while on your cycle or is it to repair damaged liver and other things?! Or is it both? I mean I'm sure it's both, but considering that PCT's are also supposed to surpress the estro levels and block cortisol production, when you come off of them, are they going to go right back up again?!?! or are you supposed to continue to cycle the rest of your life?!

Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I just don't want to begin a cycle, get bigger, do the PCT and then in 6 weeks, develop gynecomastia or my estro/cortisol levels jump up again and throw everything off.

thanks a lot guys, I'm glad I joined this site, You all seem like you know your s***, thats why I'm asking ya'll. Thanks !

[rIPPDUP]

the purpose of pct is to help your body regain natural testosterone production. when taking actual steroids, you are in fact injecting testosterone into your body which stops/or greatly slows your body's natural testosterone production. pct is to help rebound this effect. you're basically going from a **** ton of testosterone to barely any at all when you're off cycle.

[ShunDiggity]

Great thread..

I just finished a short cycle of Testadrol 50.. Noticed some really good gains! Have any of you guys tried this product?

Also have any of you heard of Chrysin to fight the effects of gynecomastia??

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by ShunDiggity

Great thread..

I just finished a short cycle of Testadrol 50.. Noticed some really good gains! Have any of you guys tried this product?

Also have any of you heard of Chrysin to fight the effects of gynecomastia??

i ran testenate 50 which is close to testadrol 50 and i absolutely loved it put on massive weight. never heard of chrysin.

[ShunDiggity]

Yeah im headed home from offshore tomorow, my first stop will be to get some testadrol 50.. I think chrysin is kinda old school.. There is not alota people that make it any more, I did find it on bodybuilding.com for sale and my local vitamn shops sells it..

[ShunDiggity]

Also mitbar, sounds like you have done your research on prohormones. What other would you recommend other than the testadrol 50??

[mitbar]

if you like that hardcore stuff look into tri methyl x by performance anabolics...its a hardcore ph, three is one just like testadrol and testenate. i have ran tri methyl and i loved it. orbit has it for a good price also.

[ShunDiggity]

Thanks ill look into it! Ill be home from korea tomorrow and the first thing im doing is getting some testadrol 50 fo sho.

[AnApe311]

awesome post, im gonna boomark it and keep coming back to it, THX MIT!

[ShunDiggity]

So whats the deal on the PH ban guys?? I need to stock up or what??

[projecthatch92]

yes