[EpicArmz]

Ok...Here's what I have in front of me.

1-Androsterone
4-AD
Hemadrol
liquid masterdrol
tribulus
Arom-X
Formadrol

I was going to do a cycle of the 1-andro and 4-ad with a pct of arom-x and milk thistle. THen a second cycle of the liquid masterdrol, hemadrol, and tribulus, with a pct of Formadrol and milk thistle. Is this a good plan of attack? Im obviously new to the game but have been working out for a long time and always take the norm protein, creatine, glutamine, and a nitrogen supp. Any feedback on this would be awesome..Thanks.

[mitbar]

not sure if your pct is good enough man. how new is that stuff? ie have you had it for a while or recent purchase?

[EpicArmz]

I got it about 2 days ago but I didnt want to take it because Im a best man for a wedding coming up and its kind of a week long party deal with the bachelor party and all and Im afraid of combining all that partying with the PH and PCT now. Not to mention I wont be doing to much lifting during all that. So I plan to start after that.

So what else do you recommend for the PCT? Does this sound like a solid cycle for a newbie to PH's?

Thanks for the info man. I really appreciate it.

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by EpicArmz

Ok...Here's what I have in front of me.

1-Androsterone not to harsh
4-AD not to harsh
Hemadrol only one that concerns me
liquid masterdrol just took it not bad at all
tribulus studys have shown is shit
Arom-X no to harsh from what i know
Formadrol taking right now after m1d cycle is good

I was going to do a cycle of the 1-andro and 4-ad with a pct of arom-x and milk thistle. THen a second cycle of the liquid masterdrol, hemadrol, and tribulus, with a pct of Formadrol and milk thistle. Is this a good plan of attack? Im obviously new to the game but have been working out for a long time and always take the norm protein, creatine, glutamine, and a nitrogen supp. Any feedback on this would be awesome..Thanks.

really bro the new ph's like that arent harsh that much, also the hemadrol is the only one that may need a serm for pct. the others are like what i put in bold.

[EpicArmz]

So are you telling me that I shouldnt expect many gains off of these 2 cycles or is it just a safe, good cycle for a newbie such as myself.

Is the way I planned this cycle out what you would do with this stuff? Or would you add anything? You mentioned PCT is a bit shady, what else should I take for that?

Again dude, Thank you for your respones, Much appreciation to you.

[mitbar]

the first cycle looks ok since it wont give much shut down and arent that potent. i would run milk thistle all the way through cycle and pct.

the hemadrol is like the old halodrol 50 and is some potent shit. you will more than likely get some shut down and will need more than formadrol for pct. you will need some clomid or nolva to get your natty test going again. also dont drink on these cycles either.

[EpicArmz]

Thanks bro, your awesome.

So looks like ive got my next 6 mo. or so planned out. Any suggestions for a 3rd cycle for me after these two to see some sweeter gains or should I lay off the PH for a bit?

BTW...I get free blood work done at work and am keeping a record of my liver values and all around blood conditions. I will be going in every month while on whatever I am doing. Should be interesting. If nothing seems to alarming I would be up for upping the antie on my supplementing.

I am doing PH's now cuz I have hit a hard climax in my mass and strength gains. I have been stuck at 185 forever now. I change my routine but nothing seems to help. Hoepfully this will.

[ZackKnight]

basically for ph's time on = time off

[rIPPDUP]

ok bud, milk thistle just ain't cuttin' it for liver support. you really need to step up your pct game. also i wouldn't continually cycle ph's. do one cycle, then off for 30 days. 2nd cycle, off for 60 days. 3'rd cycle off for 90 days. also, make sure that you get to your doctor to get bloodwork done prior to starting your cycle and after your cycle to check your liver and kidney functions, as well as your cholesterol levels. trust me bud.

[EpicArmz]

I know time on = time off. I was basically asking if you can run cycle after cycle after cycle of PH's and PCT without any time off of running nothing at all. So can you do 20 cycles in a row (with PCT in between)?

[rIPPDUP]

absolutely not bud. you'll be fucking yourself into a huge hole. your body needs time to recover. ph's are the worst thing you can put into your body. it's way harsh on your liver and kidneys. and milk thistle won't really help ya out.

[EpicArmz]

THanks rippdup, That was what I was wondering about PH cycles back to back. So whats the best liver protectant out there?

[ZackKnight]

nac is good stuff, thistle actually ain't too bad, anabolic innovations cycle support is supposed to be helpful with that

if u just run like 600mg of nac every day you should be totally fine