[tallmusclecub]

I am planning to do my first cycle of anabolics as soon as I have completed my research and acquired the necessary gear, but I'm seeing very different advice as to which way to go, with very little by way of explanation for it. Also, while I'm not an idiot, I'm struggling to understand half of people answers, because they're full of abbreviations and 'txt spk', which is probably fine if you're more used to the terms, but gobbledegook to me! So I wonder if some of you who have done your homework can help me with my goal to pack on muscle :-)

A lot of guys I know have done cycles using 'Deca' and Sustenon, and a book I read suggested this was a good combo for optimising muscle growth with minimal side effects. However, reading this article...

Testosterone Ester Report Part 1 and 2 - Anabolic Steroids at steroidology.com

...it sounds like Sustenon isn't great value for money, although this article focusses on free testosterone delivered, and may be ignoring the relatively good side effect profile of Sustenon (or not??).

So first question: what is the principle behind combining 'Deca' and Sustenon, and if you think there's a better first cycle combo (or single product cycle), can you tell me what it is - and as comprehensively as you can, why?

Second question: is 'Deca' just short for 'Deca-durabolin' and is it the same as 'Nandrolone'?

Final question: would you recommend an 8, 10 or 12 week cycle and why?

FYI - I am 36 years old, 6' 1", 200lbs and it would probably take me another two years to put on another 14lbs at the rate I'm going without steroids.

I'm not necessarily looking to do more than one cycle here, although it depends how successful it is. At the moment I'm not hoping for more than 15 - 30lbs more muscle mass, but you never know...

[king james]

Im sure once you gained 10-20lb it would be pretty hard to say wow that was amazing but i only wanted to do it once lol Gets Addicting Bro.

Im sure some of the others will respond soon but i would Suggest a Basic Cycle of Test e or c.

Reason one being Sust is a blend of multiple tests so if you get bad sides you wont really know which one is giving it to you. However i did do it last summer and went pretty well for me.

I am currently Running test e @ 500mg wk and going great. 2 shots mon-thurs. So you would get 3 bottle of 10ml would last 15 weeks 3 don't really count so everyone considers it a 12 week.

[COUGAR BAIT]

Originally Posted by tallmusclecub

So first question: what is the principle behind combining 'Deca' and Sustenon, and if you think there's a better first cycle combo (or single product cycle), can you tell me what it is - and as comprehensively as you can, why?

Second question: is 'Deca' just short for 'Deca-durabolin' and is it the same as 'Nandrolone'?

Final question: would you recommend an 8, 10 or 12 week cycle and why?

FYI - I am 36 years old, 6' 1", 200lbs and it would probably take me another two years to put on another 14lbs at the rate I'm going without steroids.

I'm not necessarily looking to do more than one cycle here, although it depends how successful it is. At the moment I'm not hoping for more than 15 - 30lbs more muscle mass, but you never know...

1. Go with Testosterone E alone for your first cycle, you can incorporate other compounds with your second or third cycle. This way you can maintain what your body reacts to best, rather than loading everything on your first go. Plus you'll have sufficient gains with Test E alone on a 12 week cycle anyway, especially if your diet + training are in order for your first cycle.

2. Yes and yes.

3. 10-12 week cycle, simply put thats to have sufficient results followed by Post Cycle Therapy. An 8 week cycle wont be enough for sufficient results in most cases.

All up, start off with 500mg of Test E per week for 12 weeks. After your PCT you'll be able to cycle again whenever you are ready, then consider adding other compounds such as Dianabol etc - but keep in mind, Testosterone should ALWAYS be a base for a cycle and never just an oral alone. Steroid.com has plenty of info, awesome site!

[gringo220]

A test enanthate or cyponate cycle for 12-15 weeks would be your best bet. As far as the deca goes it's not one of the safest steroids out there. It can have a lot of sides to it for some people from gyno to recovering your natty test. Sustanon has to be injected eod (every other day) because it has test prop in it which has an active life of 2-3 days. If you don't shoot it eod you lose the prop ester and it's just a waste of money. The test is done 2x a week on mon and thrus. if you want you can start your cycle with dbol or tbol but you don't have to if you don't want. if you do keep it at 40-50mg for the first 4 weeks. On a test e or c cycle you start your pct 2 weeks after your last injection. Use clomid at 50mg a day for 4 weeks and 25mg a day for 2 more weeks. You can run nolvadex if you want in your pct. 40mg a day for the first 4 weeks and 20mg a day for two more. And the rule of thumb is your cycle time on = your time off. It's the safest way to go about it. And if you do a cycle chances are you'll do it again. And 15-30 lbs is a reasonable goal to set but you'll lose some of it since it will be water retention. Other than that if you have any more questions just ask.

[lil_big_junior]

Test E 12 week 500mg EW split into 2 injections. Stack with Dbol at 30-50mg ED for the first 4 weeks

2 week after last injection start PCT om Clomid for 4 week atleast at 50mg ED...If needed go another 2 weeks at 25mg ED, keeping Nolvadex on hand

[musicmann89]

cosign lbj

[COUGAR BAIT]

Why Dbol as well on your first cycle?

[crazerico]

Yeah man
I started out wrong i did Tes E
but i was doing 250 mg a week
I was a dumb guy!!! just followed what some guy at the gym told me.
Well anyways it worked out for ime it was real stuff. i did my last shot last week.. im also 36 but im 5'8"
i was 185 to 190 pounds.. now im 199 and i tranied like crazy.. well i lost 2 inches of my stomach and i gained some muscle im happy.
for my next cycle.
im doing
Tes E 500mg two pins
Dbol. 50mg 4 to 6 weeks I might do it the last 4 weeks also
and the normal stuff for PCT clomid and Nolvadex.
make sure you have all that stuff in hand before you do it. i dont have my next cycle but i order it wish me luck and hope it makes it home.

I wanted to do 15 weeks cycles on 250 mg Tes E
but i can't find it no where right now.
If anyone got 3 amps laying around and want to donate it to the cause you welcome to :P = will return the favor=
ha

Well anyways make sure you read alot.
and do Test E first get a taste of it. and trust me you going to want more.
or better bulks and stacks

[dothat151]

i just stared my 2 cycal today of deca, befor i did gear i was a fat ass 211lbs my first cycal was TREN i am 160lbs now with 10% bodyfat i am 5'5 and yes it is addicting cause of the muscle groth u put on i love it. its insane but be careful and good luck..

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

Test E 12 week 500mg EW split into 2 injections. Stack with Dbol at 30-50mg ED for the first 4 weeks

2 week after last injection start PCT om Clomid for 4 week atleast at 50mg ED...If needed go another 2 weeks at 25mg ED, keeping Nolvadex on hand

Cosign!

LBJ - quick Q - so you only need to regularly dose the clomid and not the nolva? just take it when/if you start seeing gyno sides?

[harmankardon1]

you run the dbol at the start to get things moving in the cycle otherwise the test takes a while, around 3weeks to really get going.