[MuscleandMusic]

Hello peeps, this is a first time post- and I really do not feel like gettin flamed. When Knowledge is what I need. This will be a little lengthy.

So I have been weightlifting for about 4 years now, most of it was just moderate. Never to heavy and never to light.

I have went from 160 to 185-90lbs. I am pretty sure my body is at 185 period, what I mean by that is, if I just eat normally and exercise.. I will stay at that.. I dont have to do much maintenance to keep my size.

Anyways - I have decided to step into another league. I have often thought about it and have done research many times and even had the opportunity, but decided at that point in time in my life I wasnt ready.

For the last year I have been just maintaining my body weight, and defining it.

I recently checked out a new gym, to which I just moved and just so happens to be that right next to that gym is a supp store... saw they had some max muscle crap in there and knew they had to have ACL tren x etc.

I talked with the Manager/owner and he is pretty big.. bout 225lb and same height as me (5,9"). So i asked him some questions he pointed me in a direction.. I did some research and came back to him.. asked questions about stuff I was reading on forums, he had a rebudle for everything I said. I ended up buying a PH called G.E.T SUS 500.

I have been taking it in combination with milk twislte, bcaa's, protein & a multi. Just started it about 4 days ago.. so all in all I am at 8 pills used.

In the last four days I have turned into a sponge and rather than asking questions I have just read other posts from other people who are pretty much in the same boat.. but dont have a paddle or a clue. They jus grab, buy and take.. no questions.

So since these last four days.. no matter what forum, which site, whatever. The same information is being generated.. PHs = bad news on your body and aspecially for your liver.

Now after all of that, I need to make a decision. I have contacted my good ol friend who has experience with the real deal stuff and have been getting more info etc.

It just erks me to know that some joe smoe who is going to rob the local circle k gas station will get less time in jail.. than a person who is doing something to themselves.

Anyways If I do manage to find a good source.

Test E is the one which should be used for first timers correct?
500mg a week and a kick start oral, with preventice measures, following a healthy pct.

I appreciate any and all info.

MM

[mitbar]

hey bro,

for a first time cycle:
wk1-12 test E 500mg ew split in two pins 250mg each
week1-4 dbol or tbol 50mg ed
pct with nolva and clomid.


also on another not that GET shit you have is a potent PH and if you continue to take it will need a serm from what i know about it to recover your boys. while on cycle take all the proper supps to help keep you healthy. it is true that many ph's out there have worse sides than real gear, example was M1T, harsh as shit bro.

[MuscleandMusic]

To tell you, I would rather just get the hell off and stop taking the PH.. which I am debating in my head as we chat.

Do you know where I can get info on a serm. I really dont need my nuggets to evaporate.. lol.

I bought HMG from ACL.. for some help with my PCT.

But it has 17a methyl in it..

[mitbar]

if you do decide to stop taking it since your only 4 days in you will be fine getting off, as far as a legit gear cycle goes make sure you have a pct (nolva,clomid) lined up before you even get started on a cycle. read up on different profiles and different stacks. as far as a serm goes you just have to do some searching.

[MuscleandMusic]

You got it boss, I am doing that research as we speak (Serms).

[ZackKnight]

hit me or musicmann89 up on pm man.

[gringo220]

First you're on the right path with all of it so far. Like you said stop taking those ph's and get the real deal since you'll get better resaults and it's less toxic for the body.

Second is that the test e is a good choice for a starter(you can use test c if you have to) and don't think that you have to kick start it with dbol or anything. The test alone will give you great resaults. And as for the dbol it's no joke as far as sides. You'll get a good amount of bloat from it (which can cause high blood pressure) and acne is very common with it but it will put on a good amount of size and strength. You could also use tbol which doesn't have all the bloat and will give you leaner gains.

Third is your pct. You at least need clomid in it but the nolva is up to you. The clomid is what will bring up your natty test levels and the nolva will help reduce the excess estrogen in your system. Start your pct 2 weeks after your last injection and run it for 5 weeks. Don't do over 5mg with the clomid because for one you don't need to and second you will have a better chance of getting sides like vision problems. So stay at 50mg ed for the first three weeks and drop down to 25 for the last two weeks. If you want to add nolva in there than start if off at 40mg a week for the first three weeks and drop it down to 20mg a week the last two.

Fourth is that the serms come in two different ways. Pill form and liquid. The pill form is considered for human use and the liquid is considered a research chemical. They both work the same because they are the same just the liquid hasn't been turned into pill form yet so it all depends on what you can get.

Fifth is about the jail. Don't buy from someone you don't trust. If you get it from someone you know then you'll they're not a cop. Don't just buy from any online pharmacy that sells it(you'll be asking to get ripped off). And if for some reason you do get caught than the amount you will have will be no where enough for them to consider you a dealer so the charges will be less and it will be your first offense. So don't let it bother you to much and just use your head.

Ok now I hope that answered your questions and if it didn't then all you have to do is ask and someone here will be able to answer it for you. Good luck!

[mitbar]

great advice very knowledgable right there^^^

zack already talked to him bro.

[ZackKnight]

good man

[Tall HardGainer]

imho, 50mg ed of dbol is too much, especially for a first cycle, most people don't need anymore than 25mg ed maybe 30mg ed, now thats not to say thats you, everyone reacts differently and some people need more while others need less, however once you got over 40mg ed the sides become more noticable and likely to occur, whereas if you keep it moderate, like around 30, you will be less likely to notice or get the sides associated with dbol. Just remember its your first cycle, you won't need much to grow like hell. A friend of mine did the following cycle and gained 35lbs and went from 15% bf to 10% bf.
Weeks1-4: dbol 25mg ed
Weeks1-12: test e 400mg/week
Weeks3-10: 500iu's hcg/week
Weeks1-12: Arim. .5mg ed
PCT: Clomid for 6 weeks (can't remember the dosages he ran though).

Thats it, he didn't need a lot to gain a lot. With dbol you will notice right away if its too much or little, so just remember that, its always better to start low and work your way up if need be, instead of risking possible problems.

[MuscleandMusic]

! Great info.. like a sponge ! I just woke up.. blah. My schedule is jacked right now.. 1030pm to 630 am.

Alright, well - I have gotten info that at the gym which I joined there is a couple, who has a connect or has it etc.

Gringo, as far as my first offense.. lol. Umm.. I am in the military, and I hold a TS. I will get straight owned by the government.
Even know, I know this knowledge. There are still people in the branch of service that I am in, who are doing it. Its easier for me to tell than the average joe, because I know the tell tell signs, and a lot of them are doing it in low doses and gaining slow - so it looks like natural progression. The military does test for roids, but only if they get a snitch or some random dude goes from 160 - 225 in like 2-3 months etc.

I really appreciate all the info fellas, and I have no problems with pm messages! Since I just woke up, and I have to go to work in a few hours... today is a gym day! So off to that gym I go to put some good old work in!

Zack, I tried to priv message you, but it says you do not allow private messages!

hit me up

MM

[ZackKnight]

that's weird. I allow them! I REALLY DO!!!!!!