[GRAVESY079]

have never used gear before but would like to stock up for a late summer/fall cycle.
-SOme one (big guy himself, he competes and has done very well but i moved and lost contact with him)that i know from the past recommended tbol highly and said it could be used alone if it came down to it.
_ but after reading in here it seems like nothing can be run alone. I have read here that Test is the base for all cycles but i would like to stay as much of an oral cycle as i can, if not completely.
-another big guy(not as big as the first and does not compete) said the winny could be used to tighten up the edges.
-Since tbol has no bloat and winny is more of a cutter could something like that work to add and tighten up with the combo?:

ideas are welcome

[ZackKnight]

tbol is more of a brancher from cylce to cycle, a kickstarter and an ender. Basically you'd want to have some form of test. If you just want an all oral cycle then u could us ph's, but the sides are a lil worse than gear anyways. If you're doing a gear cycle, then u gotta pin man. There's really no way around it.

[GRAVESY079]

i figured that pinning would be unavoidable, i will pass on the PH's rather get the good stuff if i am going to do anything at all

[under construction]

with T-bols profile I would rather see someone do an all t-bol cycle as opposed to a ph. Best would be to add some test in there as a bbder. I know lots of people who do var only and t-bol only but they are mma guys who want great strength gains but still make weight.

[harmankardon1]

if its the pinning that bothers you ,you would find thats it really not that bad youll get the hang of it pretty quick.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by GRAVESY079

have never used gear before but would like to stock up for a late summer/fall cycle.
-SOme one (big guy himself, he competes and has done very well but i moved and lost contact with him)that i know from the past recommended tbol highly and said it could be used alone if it came down to it.
_ but after reading in here it seems like nothing can be run alone. I have read here that Test is the base for all cycles but i would like to stay as much of an oral cycle as i can, if not completely.
-another big guy(not as big as the first and does not compete) said the winny could be used to tighten up the edges.
-Since tbol has no bloat and winny is more of a cutter could something like that work to add and tighten up with the combo?:

ideas are welcome

Yes, test is a base for all cycles..or should be. T-bol has some bloat, but much less then dbols. Winny is good for strength and w/ a good diet can make you look great, it has some bad sides with joints. I personally can't run it because of joint pain.

If your going to run tbol w/ winny, you need a test base. I'm not going to say you shouldn't run 2 orals...i've run 3 at once last year w/ injectables. Remember your NAC 1200mg/day + 1000mg Milk thisle.

I'd do this...

Weeks 1-4: 50mg/day Tbol
Weeks 1-12: 500mg/day Test E/C
Weeks 11-14: 50mg/day Winny
pct...

[GRAVESY079]

Originally Posted by Zomb131

Yes, test is a base for all cycles..or should be. T-bol has some bloat, but much less then dbols.1 Winny is good for strength and w/ a good diet can make you look great, it has some bad sides with joints. I personally can't run it because of joint pain.
If your going to run tbol w/ winny, you need a test base. I'm not going to say you shouldn't run 2 orals...i've run 3 at once last year w/ injectables. Remember your NAC 1200mg/day + 1000mg Milk thisle.

I'd do this...

Weeks 1-4: 50mg/day Tbol
Weeks 1-12: 500mg/day Test E/C
Weeks 11-14: 50mg/day Winny
pct...

thanks Zomb and U C

1 i was thinking about the joints but i was thinking of picking up a joint support along with liver support, and drink plenty of water, and going for it.

So use the tbol to jump start the cycle.
Use test through out, prbly go with E( 500mg is two vials if my math is right)
Wrap it all up with Winny for the win.

then use Clomid (i have seen as the primo choice in here) for a pct , with some Nolv on the side just incase during the cycle.

Weeks 1-4: 50mg/day Tbol
Weeks 1-12: 500mg/day Test E/C
Weeks 11-14: 50mg/day Winny

Clomid is what? 50mg ed 1-4weeks
.....................25mg ed 5-6weeks

[under construction]

two vials is only 10 weeks worth

[GRAVESY079]

Originally Posted by under construction

two vials is only 10 weeks worth

word. see if i can get a hold of 3-4.

also i have this stuff form ProSource, a two week detox and cleanse combo, have not used it yet but think i will run the two week combo just prior to and really clean out my system first and then even after the pct. with the liver support through out.

[under construction]

each dose is at 2 ml, each vial hold 10ml so three will give you 15 weeks worth. You will wind up with a little extra.

[prime52]

^^ dont let the little extra go to waste lol. Tbol is great stuff i personally would run it for 5-6 and maybe winny 4-5. kinda weird that winny is good for strenght but yet drys out joints, what good is strenght if your going to have joint pain. i have heard ppl use winny with deca and some test.

[GRAVESY079]

^ i'll see how it goes and the quanity that i can get
i gotta ckeck on what and when can be gotten, and the what the quanity to $ ratio is going to be.