What would you change? (First Cycle)

COUGAR BAIT · 06-13-2008, 05:59 PM

Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate (500mg per week)
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 week PCT)

Simple yet effective?

Thanks!

ralphk · 06-13-2008, 06:11 PM

they say your first cycle is your best one... stack it with something if you can probley another bulking steroid.

**musicmann89** · 06-13-2008, 06:17 PM

looks good but pct needs to have clomid nolva sucks for brining back natty levels

clomid/ nolva
50 40
50 40
50 20
50 20
25
25

COUGAR BAIT · 06-13-2008, 06:19 PM

I know a few people who just use Nolva PCT and find it fine, but then again I know some that stack it with Clomid too - I'm just worried about the side effects of Clomid, I can recall about 3 people off the top of my head mentioning how depressed they felt when they started taking Clomid PCT, is that a common occurrence?

**mitbar** · 06-13-2008, 06:31 PM

cosign mm, also through in some dbol the first 4 weeks if you want, it will help kick start your gains. tbol if you dont want much bloat.

**musicmann89** · 06-13-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by COUGAR BAIT

I know a few people who just use Nolva PCT and find it fine, but then again I know some that stack it with Clomid too - I'm just worried about the side effects of Clomid, I can recall about 3 people off the top of my head mentioning how depressed they felt when they started taking Clomid PCT, is that a common occurrence?

you shouldnt have those effects at 50mg dude, those sides come from 100mg-300mg a day when people either frontload or use high doses

COUGAR BAIT · 06-13-2008, 08:37 PM

Gotcha, thanks for that guys

**lil_big_junior** · 06-13-2008, 08:42 PM

COSIGN musicmann...

Clomid for 4 weeks atleast at 50mg ED. Then if needed go another 25mg ED for another 2 weeks

COUGAR BAIT · 06-13-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

COSIGN musicmann...

Clomid for 4 weeks atleast at 50mg ED. Then if needed go another 25mg ED for another 2 weeks

Whats the best way to tell if I need the final 25mg ED for 2 weeks?
And I still run Nolva for the entire time I'm running Clomid?

COUGAR BAIT · 06-13-2008, 09:55 PM

Week 1-12
Testosterone Enanthate (500mg per week)

PCT
Nolv 40/40/20/20
Clom 50/50/50/50/25/25

After PCT Stack (8 week cycle)
Molecular Nutrition X-Factor
Designer Supplements ActivaTe Xtreme

Final thoughts on that? :)
Would rather just stick with Test E for my first cycle.

**under construction** · 06-14-2008, 12:40 AM

clomid does make some people emotional it does it to some of the guys we train around. To avoid the majority of it they take it before bed and like my bud says he sleeps through his feelings of acting like a girl

**ZackKnight** · 06-14-2008, 12:41 AM

from what i hear tormefiene is starting to become better than clomid.

**Zomb131** · 06-14-2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ZackKnight

from what i hear tormefiene is starting to become better than clomid.

"tormefiene" is nolva which is a SERM(selective estrogen receptor modulator), complete opposite from what Clomid does. PCT should include both. Novla to prevent gyno, and clomid to kick start the hypothalmus (sp?).