[mperk]

What do u guys think of this as a 1st cycle for adding 20lbs? i'm in my 40's (wha hoo!) so I've got no time to waste (J/K)

Been working out half assed for 20 years - serious for 3 years - I'm not getting any bigger w/o a boost. i like the idea of deca to keep my joints juiced but don't know if that's too much w/ dbol.

wt 182
16-17% bf
Workout 5-6 days a week (try to make 2 of those mellow - abs & cardio or calves & cardio)
Eating a very clean diet, taking multi vits, BCAA's, etc. i tend to store fat in my pecs and belly - so scared of gyno - don't want no man boobs!

Wk 1-12 test E or C 500 mg
Wk 1-4 dbol 20- 35mg/day
Wk 1-10 Nolvadex 10-20mg/day
Wk 11-16 Nolvadex 20mg/day
Wk 1-10 deca 200-400 mg
Wk 1-12 Vit B-6 200 mg/day
Wk 13 nothing
Wk 14-16 clomid 300 mg day 1; 100 days 2-11; 50 days 12-21

Thanks Dudes!!!!

[anthk]

run the deca for the 12 weeks
you dont need to run nolvadex the whole way through, use it when you come into gyno problems. or get some adex/aroma and run that through out the cycle.
no need to front load clomid, run it 50mg per day for 6 weeks and have the nolvadex too, 40mg per day for 3 weeks and then 20mg per day for the last 3 weeks
stick to one dosage of dbol 35mg per day & same with deca 200mg for joint support or 400mg for added mass gains.
other than that should be a good cycle.

[ZackKnight]

ummm dude, where the hell did u come up with this?

the whole nolva/clomid shit is fucked up to me.

it's not making sense to me in normal PCT terms dude.

[ZackKnight]

also, Anthk, could he up to 50mg of dbol?

[mitbar]

zak he was gonna run nolva through his cycle and then use clomid for pct with a front load and then taper down. as anthk has said there is no need and he could probably bump to 50mg of dbol but its his first cycle probably wants to gauge it out.

[ZackKnight]

yeah, def no reason to run nolva through the whole cycle

do what Anthk said

[TRiddy05]

Cycle looks pretty good for the most part. Its your call as far as the deca. I personally wouldnt run it, especially for a first cycle but I feel you on the joint pain issue. Hopefully you are aware of some of the unpleasant sides associated with deca: impotence, progestrin induced gyno, acne, etc. I would prefer to see you run an AI (adex, letro, aromisin) and Caber instead of the B6 and nolva protocol as far as gyno prevention, plus caber will have a nice libido boosting effect. Cosign Anth about stretching the deca out a little longer but I would cut it one week before the test so that PCT times match up properly. I have used the clomid protocol that you outlined for PCT and got shitty recovery and obscene amounts of acne everywhere. I would just run 50mg of Clomid ED for 6 weeks plus a few weeks of Nolva at 20-40mg ED. Also if you can get your bodyfat <12% before you start your cycle you will be much less likely to suffer from some of the estrogenic sides. Id run:

Weeks 1-13 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg ED
Weeks 3-13 HCG 250 IU 2X per week or E3D
Weeks 1-12 Caber 500mcg 2X per week
Weeks 1-13 Adex .25-.5mg EOD as needed
Weeks 16-21 Clomid 50mg ED
Weeks 16-17 Nolva 40mg ED

[mperk]

Originally Posted by anthk

run the deca for the 12 weeks
you dont need to run nolvadex the whole way through, use it when you come into gyno problems. or get some adex/aroma and run that through out the cycle.
no need to front load clomid, run it 50mg per day for 6 weeks and have the nolvadex too, 40mg per day for 3 weeks and then 20mg per day for the last 3 weeks
stick to one dosage of dbol 35mg per day & same with deca 200mg for joint support or 400mg for added mass gains.
other than that should be a good cycle.

Anthk - Thanks for your comments, bro. I have read a ton of proposed cycles and this was by far the most conservative re the nolva - so I'm glad uto get your opinion. The dose of clomid (Frontload) was also the highest I've seen.

Originally Posted by mitbar

zak he was gonna run nolva through his cycle and then use clomid for pct with a front load and then taper down. as anthk has said there is no need and he could probably bump to 50mg of dbol but its his first cycle probably wants to gauge it out.

Originally Posted by ZackKnight

yeah, def no reason to run nolva through the whole cycle

do what Anthk said

Excellent feedback guys thanks

Originally Posted by TRiddy05

Cycle looks pretty good for the most part. Its your call as far as the deca. I personally wouldnt run it, especially for a first cycle but I feel you on the joint pain issue. Hopefully you are aware of some of the unpleasant sides associated with deca: impotence, progestrin induced gyno, acne, etc. I would prefer to see you run an AI (adex, letro, aromisin) and Caber instead of the B6 and nolva protocol as far as gyno prevention, plus caber will have a nice libido boosting effect. Cosign Anth about stretching the deca out a little longer but I would cut it one week before the test so that PCT times match up properly. I have used the clomid protocol that you outlined for PCT and got shitty recovery and obscene amounts of acne everywhere. I would just run 50mg of Clomid ED for 6 weeks plus a few weeks of Nolva at 20-40mg ED. Also if you can get your bodyfat <12% before you start your cycle you will be much less likely to suffer from some of the estrogenic sides. Id run:

Weeks 1-13 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg ED
Weeks 3-13 HCG 250 IU 2X per week or E3D
Weeks 1-12 Caber 500mcg 2X per week
Weeks 1-13 Adex .25-.5mg EOD as needed
Weeks 16-21 Clomid 50mg ED
Weeks 16-17 Nolva 40mg ED

Triddy - thanks a ton for your feedback! Good points. What is caber ?- haven't seen that before. I think that the consensus on the clomid is that cycle is excessive. I'm on the fence about the Deca - I have no joint pain now but in the last few years i have a developed a nice little creak in the knees - just ligament noise - so i don't want to fu*k up and have joint pain to go with the creak. Thanks also for the push to 12% - I think I'll get there eventually - (in 4 years I have gone from 27 to 17 - by the time I start this I should be down to 15% at least - below that I'll have to start the liposuction treatments (J/K) ;-)


Thanks guys! when i refin it - I'll post it - may do more homework this weekend - I hope to start in June (15?)

[lil_big_junior]

I answered your PM bro

[ZackKnight]

anytime man. we want u to get the best info available and be the safest as you can.

[anthk]

just let us know what is your finial decision