First ever cycle - any help please?

IndyH · 04-25-2008, 07:29 PM

I would appreciate any useful information with regards to the proposed cycle i am going to run. As this is my first time, i wont really be using excessive amounts, but so far i have been recommended by friends to start with a deca durabolin and testosterone stack, taking in 200mg of the deca with 250mg of the testo weekly. I will be running it for 12 weeks. Firstly, would i get any reasonable gains from a 8 week cycle, or should i go with the 12? Secondly i have heard alot of talk concerning PCT, at the moment i have been led to believe i should run PCT for about 2-3 weeks, as the amounts of steroids that will be used are not that high. Should i take nolvadex or clomid, as i am aware that they do two different things? And also what should i keep on hand if i experienced any undesirable side effects? Thanks for any help guyz

**under construction** · 04-25-2008, 07:40 PM

Complete Cycle please take a Peak.
read this thread this is a basic intro cycle and pct if you follow this you will have great gains good pct and a relatively safe cycle.

anthk · 04-25-2008, 09:30 PM

your cycle length should be 12 weeks. take the test to 500mg. get a 2:1 ration to your deca, it will help you from not being able to have an erection.
as for your pct start it 3 weeks after your last injection
for a total of 6 weeks.
clomid 50mg p/d & nolvadex 40mg p/d for the first 3 weeks and drop the nolvadex to 20mg p/g with the same clomid dosage for another 3 weeks.
you will see good gains in this cycle as its your first one. just hope your body likes test and deca and you can notice which one works better for you *thus why ony having a test cycle as your first cycle*.
good luck

**under construction** · 04-25-2008, 10:00 PM

what about prolactin based gyno?

**ZackKnight** · 04-26-2008, 12:20 AM

also, why 3 weeks after for PCT? why not 2? I've always heard the standard is 2 and then about 6 to 8 weeks for PCT depending on after 6 if you still need more and to taper it down if needed

anthk · 04-26-2008, 01:31 AM

because when you take your pct you start when the steriod is out of your blood stream a.k.a the half life, i estimated 3 weeks assuming he has a long ester based testosterone and deca takes 21 days. Look at some steriod profiles and there half lives and you will understand what i mean.

as for the prolactin sorry i didnt cover that, simply keep your nolvadex ready to take 40mg p/d straight away when you see signs of gyno (puffy nipples and itchy etc..) have some Cabaser & Bromo to combat it more seriously because of the deca.

Good luck!!

IndyH · 04-26-2008, 06:08 AM

thank u very much for the help guys, much appreciated

anthk · 04-26-2008, 06:12 AM

anytime bra!

**under construction** · 04-26-2008, 10:26 AM

good one anthk you da man

IndyH · 04-26-2008, 01:34 PM

guys one more thing, someone is recommending that i up the deca to 400mg rather than 200mg...i.e. 500 testosterone and 400mg deca durabolin. ne comments on this? soz 2 bug u guys again

**ZackKnight** · 04-26-2008, 01:37 PM

don't be sorry man. there's no need to be sorry, we're always here for help.

from what I understand you should do at 2:1 ratio of test to deca, so I wouldn't, but we'll see what other people say

**lil_big_junior** · 04-26-2008, 02:14 PM

200mg of Deca is good for your joints but as far as having good gains from it you need to hit up atleast 400mg EW. I personally hate Deca but we might aswell point you in the right direction...Definetly a 2:1 ratio on Deca & Test...

If I were you I'd skip the Deca & stick to a gram of Test E & see how you go on that. It's far more better than pinning Deca. Either that or try EQ at 600-800mg EW with Test. You'll be more happy with that than the Deca

Weeks 1-12 1 gram Test E
Weeks 1-4 Kickstart with an oral Dbol\Tbol 50mg ED

2 weeks after last injection, start the usual PCT protocol