[gymmy]

Gentlemen:

I would greatly appreciate input from anyone regarding their knowledge of proper PCT for a 12 week cycle of deca only, stacked with anavar for the first 4 weeks, primo for the middle 4 weeks and anavar again for the final 4 weeks. I am also runnign HGH at 10iu per week throughout and beyond.

I HAVE ALREADY BEEN FLAMED HARD for the Deca-only component of the cycle and am aware of the risks of shutdown with a deca cycle w/out Test. However, I am wary of the bloat, hair-loss and other nasty sides associate with the test... (I know about the potential nasty sides for deca too)

If you are willing to assume the following:

Lifting for many years
Super clean diet
6'2"
215 lbs
11% body fat

I have read and read and read and read and asked questions, and yet no definitive answer. Most say...start HCG the last week of cycle and run for 3 weeks and about 2 weeks after the last injection, start Nolva and run for four to five weeks.

Others say dump the HCG and Nolva and run adex and femora, as the deca half life will continue to suppress beyond 2 weeks post-final injection.

I would appreciate any input..

YES, I realize I am setting myself up to get shit-kicked like I did on "T-Nation" (that's why I came here), but am hopeful someone will be willing to help without being too judgmental.

Gymmy

[TRiddy05]

Originally Posted by gymmy

Gentlemen:

I would greatly appreciate input from anyone regarding their knowledge of proper PCT for a 12 week cycle of deca only, stacked with anavar for the first 4 weeks, primo for the middle 4 weeks and anavar again for the final 4 weeks. I am also runnign HGH at 10iu per week throughout and beyond.

I HAVE ALREADY BEEN FLAMED HARD for the Deca-only component of the cycle and am aware of the risks of shutdown with a deca cycle w/out Test. However, I am wary of the bloat, hair-loss and other nasty sides associate with the test... (I know about the potential nasty sides for deca too)

If you are willing to assume the following:

Lifting for many years
Super clean diet
6'2"
215 lbs
11% body fat

I have read and read and read and read and asked questions, and yet no definitive answer. Most say...start HCG the last week of cycle and run for 3 weeks and about 2 weeks after the last injection, start Nolva and run for four to five weeks.

Others say dump the HCG and Nolva and run adex and femora, as the deca half life will continue to suppress beyond 2 weeks post-final injection.

I would appreciate any input..

YES, I realize I am setting myself up to get shit-kicked like I did on "T-Nation" (that's why I came here), but am hopeful someone will be willing to help without being too judgmental.

Gymmy

Well... everybody makes mistakes. I dont know how much time that you have left on cycle but I would probably use HCG leading at like 500 IU E3D for up to three weeks from the last shot to get your balls back. After 3 weeks Id start your PCT of Clomid and Nolva and run if for 6 weeks.
Week 1 Clomid 100mg ED Nolva 40mg ED
Week 2 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 3 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 4 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 5 Clomid 50mg ED
Week 6 Clomid 50 mg
Taper more if desired.

[getNbig47]

gymmy i urge you not to do deca only cycle.For about 6 weeks you will feel very well on deca you sex drive will go up and fast but after that you can get deca dick because of how deca effects you it will shut you down hard after that deca should always be stacked with a long ester something like test enthnate or cyponiate which really brings up your sex drive and even when i used deca/test for a short cycle i still experienced hair loss a few weeks down the road PCT did help and even after that cycle i was still shut down deca is powerfull

for your weight and height bodyfat percentage you sound like you have a good relationship to your body not flaming but i would say from personal experience stack with long test base ester

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by TRiddy05

Well... everybody makes mistakes. I dont know how much time that you have left on cycle but I would probably use HCG leading at like 500 IU E3D for up to three weeks from the last shot to get your balls back. After 3 weeks Id start your PCT of Clomid and Nolva and run if for 6 weeks.
Week 1 Clomid 100mg ED Nolva 40mg ED
Week 2 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 3 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 4 Clomid 50mg ED Nolva 20mg ED
Week 5 Clomid 50mg ED
Week 6 Clomid 50 mg
Taper more if desired.

COSIGN Triddy, that would prolly be the more practical thing to do but in future gymmy only run HCG throughout the cycle at 500ius EW split into 2 injections. Shouldn't run it after cycle, BUT DEFINETLY NEVER RUN IT IN PCT.

Not attacking you on this one Triddy bro but, personally I wouldn't front load the Clomid.

50mg ED throughout PCT cycle is more than fine IMO gymmy & if needed like suggested tapper down & go for a longer PCT

Good luck & welcome to the Dungeon

[gymmy]

TRiddy05, getNbig47 and lil_big_junior:

Gentlemen:

Dang, I can't believe how courteous and good-natured your responses have been. I was really waiting for the other shoe to drop. I wished I had heard of the dungeon before I had signed up for T-Nation.

I tried to get help and advice there but all I got from their members were repsonses like:

"God, you are a f***ing moron", "Another newbie a**hole", and "Go back and read for another three years and then come back and ask..in the meantime, don't waste our f***kin time"..

Thank you for your replies. Assuming one has already gotten over 6 weeks into such a cycle, can I assume the hcg and nolva would be the most strategic way to deal with an obvious mistake.

Gymmy

[TRiddy05]

Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

COSIGN Triddy, that would prolly be the more practical thing to do but in future gymmy only run HCG throughout the cycle at 500ius EW split into 2 injections. Shouldn't run it after cycle, BUT DEFINETLY NEVER RUN IT IN PCT.

Not attacking you on this one Triddy bro but, personally I wouldn't front load the Clomid.

50mg ED throughout PCT cycle is more than fine IMO gymmy & if needed like suggested tapper down & go for a longer PCT

Good luck & welcome to the Dungeon

No offence taken at all bro. Yea you're probably right on that. Last time I ran way too much clomid Im not even going to say how much but it was definetly excessive. And my recovery wasnt that great either, it just resulted in really bad acne. Will probably keep it at 50mg ED all the way through and see how that works for me.

[lil_big_junior]

Great choice Triddy...I too got acne from Clomid at 100mg ED, I've been there too bro, lol...

& gymmy you came to the right place my man. Hope you enjoy your stay here at the Dungeon. We're not just members here bro, we're family

As for your last question bro, since you're only on your 6th week, I'd personally forget about this cycle & pretend it never happened, start PCT in 2 weeks on Clomid & Nolvadex for a minimum of 4-6 weeks & start another cycle after sufficient time off. In the mean time keep training intense & diet in check, & you'll keep the most gains you got from this cycle, so atleast you didn't completly waste your time...

Next time try this
Weeks 1-12 Test E 1Gram EW split into 2 injections
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-12 EQ 600mg EW
Weeks 13-14 Test Prop 100mg EOD injections to 300mg EW

Then the usual PCT protocol

Any questions feel free to ask

[TRiddy05]

Originally Posted by getNbig47

gymmy i urge you not to do deca only cycle.For about 6 weeks you will feel very well on deca you sex drive will go up and fast but after that you can get deca dick because of how deca effects you it will shut you down hard after that deca should always be stacked with a long ester something like test enthnate or cyponiate which really brings up your sex drive and even when i used deca/test for a short cycle i still experienced hair loss a few weeks down the road PCT did help and even after that cycle i was still shut down deca is powerfull

for your weight and height bodyfat percentage you sound like you have a good relationship to your body not flaming but i would say from personal experience stack with long test base ester

I agree with what you said for the most part but just FYI Deca is actually one of the easiest on the hairline. The hairloss is much more likely from the test. Use Propecia in your next test cycle if its a major issue. I would think that the var would be causing you some problems too since its a DHT derivative, but you are using a low dose.

[gymmy]

ok guys...

So that I am clear...

I stop the deca NOW. I stop the Primo NOW. I finish the Var over the next two-three weeks and then I WAIT for two (2) weeks AFTER my last Var dose to begin the Clomid/Nolva pct. Right?


gymmy

[mindstar]

no...if the var runs 2 weeks past inj, then pct is the next day. it's all about half-lives my friend.

[gymmy]

Originally Posted by mindstar

no...if the var runs 2 weeks past inj, then pct is the next day. it's all about half-lives my friend.

Mindstar...I appreciate it. Many thanks...

gymmy

[TRiddy05]

Originally Posted by gymmy