[ibanezman88]

hey, how about Havoc guys?
how's that shit?
any good?
i heard it was supposed to be like epistane. nutraplanet here is sold out.

another question?
i can't just run the epistane or havoc and the cycle support only? i mean epistane is supposed to have an anti-estrogen effect anyway right? i mean that's why they say it even helps get rid of gyno on people that naturally have it.

do i really need to stack ALL this? it's making me not wanna do the cycle. i mean, that's a lot of money for all this shit

Epistane or Havoc
Cycle Support by AI
6oxo
Tribex
X-lean

ok i understand the test booster. so can't i just run the epistane/havoc with the cycle support and the tribex and that's it?

[benji89]

you dont need all of that...
stay with superdrol then use nolva or clom for pct honestly..

[benji89]

toss in some milk thistle too

[ibanezman88]

sigh
i already said i don't want to do anything illegal right now

nevermind

so how's this guys?

Cycle
Week 1
Havoc - 10mg
Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 2
Havoc - 20mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 3
havoc - 30mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 4
havoc - 30mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 300mg

week 5
Post Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 600mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 6
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 500mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 7
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 400mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 8
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the moring, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 300mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

[JakeVendetta]

that PCT sucks. Tribulus does nothing to increase test, i've posted studies before and if you want proof do a pubmed search. I've allready said what was wrong with using an anti estrogen in the begining stages of PCT, so i dont feel like that needs to be addressed again.

[ibanezman88]

hmm....i'm sorry bro
i don't get it

[JakeVendetta]

You basically want to keep your estrogen up so that your test will bring itself back up to form a balance.... so taking an anti e would only prolong the decreased test production. I cant remember the thread but i posted a few pubmed studies that related to us as athletes showing that tribulus doesnt increase test. If you have anymore questions pm me and i'll help as much as i can.

[ibanezman88]

ok, makes PERFECT sense. thanks
how's this?

Cycle
Week 1
Havoc - 10mg
Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 2
Havoc - 20mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 3
havoc - 30mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night

week 4
havoc - 30mg
Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 300mg

week 5
Post Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 6
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 7
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the morning, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 600mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 8
Post Cycle Support - 1 scoop in the moring, 1 scoop at night
6oxo - 500mg
Tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night
X-lean - 1 cap in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 9
6oxox - 400mg
tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night

week 10
6oxo - 300mg
tribex - 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap at night

[KM]

I'm no expert, just trying to help and am learning heavily right now, but I think he means you have anti-estrogens but no primary substance to specifically bring up testosterone. Ant-estrogens, I'm pretty sure, doesn't help bring up NATURAL testosterone levels, but prolongs the duration of the decreased testosterone.

Don't hate if I'm wrong, just correct :)

[ibanezman88]

no that's correct KM
i just read his post AFTER i posted mine

[KM]

Ok good...I'm getting somewhere. I'm learning right now on PCT's. I figured I'd learn there first, as it's probably one of the most important components to a cycle. NOT THAT I'm taking one, just want to learn about anabolic.