[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by ibanezman88

ok so how's this

i've been reading about epistane and h drol like mm1snapper suggested and i think i'm more interested in epistane.

what if i do this

week 1-4 - epistane 40mg (start with 10mg each day and up it 10mg each day)
weak 5-8 - 6 Oxo 600mg ED before bed
Formadrol 4 caps ED
and maybe follow that though for another 4 weeks like LBJ said.

also, how much should i expect to gain during this cycle and how much should i expect to keep?

For your first go at epi i would suggest this:
Week 1-20mg
Week 2&3-30mg
Week 4-40mg

Week 5&6- 600mg 6Oxo Ed Before Bed
Week 7&8- 400mg 6oxo Ed Before Bed
Week 9&10- 200 6oxo Ed Before Bed

Week 5-12= Formadrol 4 caps Ed
Post Cycle Support 2caps Morning, 2caps Night

You should gain 8+ pound on cycle depending your diet. And will probably keep 75-90% of gains with this pct set up.

[lil_big_junior]

Your welcome bro, I've cleaned out my PM box now so whenever you want, just hit me up if you need anything...But on that note I'd say a good 6lbs of mass will be kept after cycle, maybe more depending on how your rest & split is, but a 6lb solid gain is very achievable after PCT on this cycle. Keep your carbs in check & get in loads of proteins every 2 hours & you'll be fine.
Good luck bro

[JakeVendetta]

If you're going the legal PCT route i would look into Dermacrine by primordial performance, and wouldnt start taking 6oxo until after a few weeks into the PCT on a reverse taper, and get some sort of cort control to take throughout the PCT like x-lean, lean xtreme, retain, or even generic 7-keto. Also adding in some product with oral resveratrol couldnt hurt either... like post cycle support by anabolic innovations. And like said before get some liver support.

[ibanezman88]

6lbs of muscle?
that's about what i was thinking
this cycle is gonna cost me about 120$ right?
i'd say it's worth it. but i won't be able to afford this for a while.

thanks mm1 snapper. i'll change my cycle to what you said.
thanks everyone.
i will keep reasearching and hopefully i'll be able to do this cycle sometime this summer.

i still havn't decided if i want to stay natty or not. because i'd like to compete in the INBF in 2 years. but we'll see. i'll think about this long and hard. no need to rush. i'm still gaining.

after this cycle, i won't be concidered a natty anymore right?

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

If you're going the legal PCT route i would look into Dermacrine by primordial performance, and wouldnt start taking 6oxo until after a few weeks into the PCT on a reverse taper, and get some sort of cort control to take throughout the PCT like x-lean, lean xtreme, retain, or even generic 7-keto. Also adding in some product with oral resveratrol couldnt hurt either... like post cycle support by anabolic innovations. And like said before get some liver support.

isn't 6oxo liver support?

i'm confused. so nothing in my cycle is liver support?????

i'll look into the dermacrine and primordial and the cortisol control. thanks

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by ibanezman88

6lbs of muscle?
that's about what i was thinking
this cycle is gonna cost me about 120$ right?
i'd say it's worth it. but i won't be able to afford this for a while.

thanks mm1 snapper. i'll change my cycle to what you said.
thanks everyone.
i will keep reasearching and hopefully i'll be able to do this cycle sometime this summer.

i still havn't decided if i want to stay natty or not. because i'd like to compete in the INBF in 2 years. but we'll see. i'll think about this long and hard. no need to rush. i'm still gaining.

after this cycle, i won't be concidered a natty anymore right?

Well man no problem. I will also be doing a cycle somewhat similar next month probably... I keep having to put it back with all the recent events. And think of it this way. Your not taking anything illegal because all products are over the counter and can be bought with out persciptions!

[ibanezman88]

week 1-4 - epistane 40mg (start with 10mg each day and up it 10mg each day)
weak 5-8 - 6 Oxo 600mg ED before bed
Formadrol 4 caps ED
cycle support in the morning and before bed

oops i forgot that the 6oxo was the ani-estrogen. i forgot to throw in the cycle support in there.

[ibanezman88]

oh hell
i'll just do this

Week 1-20mg
Week 2&3-30mg
Week 4-40mg

Week 5&6- 600mg 6Oxo Ed Before Bed
Week 7&8- 400mg 6oxo Ed Before Bed
Week 9&10- 200 6oxo Ed Before Bed

Week 5-12= Formadrol 4 caps Ed
Post Cycle Support 2caps Morning, 2caps Night

like mm1snapper said

i like it
it's great

[JakeVendetta]

6 oxo is an anti-estrogen and really doesnt do anything to recover your natural test levels... minimizing the bad effects of estrogen and keeping it elevated is actually more important in PCT. *from my understanding, i can see many of you disagree, so i'm not here to argue* It works like how when your test is increased your estrogen is increased to create a balance. When your estrogen stays elevated your test will try to elevate itself to compensate.

[mm1snapper]

Nice choice man dont forget to run cycle support from weeks 1-8 after that its not really needed.

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by mm1snapper

Nice choice man dont forget to run cycle support from weeks 1-8 after that its not really needed.

oh ok man
thanks