[danny_rm]

First off just to say hi to all,

and second is prob a question you here alot and iv searched forum after forum but i just get same old ansewr ''use the search'' iv used it but its never a direct answer to my questions.

so ill ask you guys lol

im 22 and iv been training for about 4 years and i hav managed to get myself from 12 stone to a good 14 stone after sorting out a good diet and a good training program, iv played around with bits and bobs over the last year trying to see what suits me best and im happy as far as the diet and training is..

the problem is iv reached the point where iv had the good gains and now i cant seem to put on the weight as im not naturally 'big' built. iv been looking into the steroids.

a few of the lads iv become good friends are on it down the gym and one of them was in the same boat as me when he decided to take them he said to look into all angles of it and if i choose to go ahead he will beable to help me in any way needed ect.

all i want to know from you guys is what would you recomend for a first cycle and gains ill achieve.

and what side affects am i looking to get from it, the one i want to know is the hair loss? whats the chance and is there anything i could do to prevent it?

hope you can help

danny

[Kaboom]

Ill let some of the more experienced talk about the first cycle.They will prob include some test e or sus 325 maybe even some dbol and of course your PCTs but anyway the question about hairloss.It accelerates hairloss if you are prone to it anyway.If it doesnt run in your family or genes then it most likely wont occur.If it did you would treat it just like everyone else does Rogain or what not.
Its funny because out of all the side effects this is also the one I was worried about the most lol

[danny_rm]

lol well my dad was bald but everyone else on his side has a full head of hair and everyone on my mums side does too so im stumped if it in my genes lol.
d

[RAGEN2008]

Genetics for getting hair loss or not come from your mothers side I believe. How much are you looking to gain, a common cycle time is 12 weeks from what I have read?

[danny_rm]

im just looking to gain some mass. id love to reach 15stone would that be possible in a first cycle or would i need to run a few more to reach these gains? also what would happen to the gains i would get after i finish my cycle would i loose what i have gained.

[johnnyairwaves]

Originally Posted by danny_rm

and what side affects am i looking to get from it, the one i want to know is the hair loss? whats the chance and is there anything i could do to prevent it?

hope you can help

danny

You need a DHT blocker along with whatever steroid you choose to go with. As prohormones can also convert further into DHT and estrogen(man boobs). To deal with this, many supplements also have aromatase inhibitors and DHT blockers such as chrysin and the more potent 6-OXO.

[danny_rm]

whats a dht? iv taken something called m1t befor it got banned and i took 6 oxo with that, to prevent the man boobs or gyno i was told to take nolvadex which i have still.

im not upto scratch with all the ters yet so you may need to explain a bit better for me lol. iv tried to find answers to my questions but i cnt find them.

cheers d

[lil_big_junior]

Never mind the last post made by that johnnyairwaves dude, that's just another muppet not knowing about this subject trying to give shit advice & don't know fuckall himself. WTF, DHT??? This isn't PH's mate, 6oxo won't do shit for you either for PCT after a cycle of REAL GEAR. Anti E's should only be used during cycle when you really need it as it hinders growth. So if you do see Gyno sides on cycle or you find that you're getting too much bloat, A'dex would be great to have on hand as a JUST INCASE, other than that Nolva would be fine thrown into PCT with Clomid should you really need it. Clomid for PCT is a big GOGO with AAS, not 6oxo or a DHT blocker.

Kaboom answered your question nicely about the hair loss aspect. As far as your first cycle is concerned stick to 500mg of Test Enanthate every week split into to injections for 12 weeks, if need be throw an oral in there to kickstart the cycle, something like Dbol is ideal for a novice bulk cycle. You can definetly hit 15 stones after this cycle pending that your diet & training is spot on which I'm sure it is (I hope)

Weeks 1-12 500mg EW (every week) Test E 250mg per injection twice a week
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 30-50mg ED (everyday)

Then 2 weeks after last injection start PCT on Clomid for a minimum of 4 weeks;
PCT weeks 1-4 Clomid 50mg ED
Then if need be do another 2 weeks on Clomid which would be more benefitial in the long run so in total your PCT would look like this;
PCT Weeks 1-4 Clomid 50mg ED
Weeks 5-6 Clomid 25mg ED

Keeping Nolva on hip incase of any Gyno sides

Good luck mate & enjoy your stay here at the Dungeon
- LBJ

[danny_rm]

cheers for that LBJ, just a few questions about what you said:

so for the 12 weeks im doin the cycle i have 250mg of test e twice a week for the 12 weeks and for the first 4 weeks i have the d bol evry day, what happens for the rest of the cycle then dont i have any more d bol?? and what is test e?

after the last injection of d bol on the 4th week i wait two weeks and start pct 50mg for first 4 weeks then 25 for final two. so all i have for my pct is clomid and my milk thistle.

just tryin to get all the info clear as i want to do it correct for my first cycle.

cheers
D