[Endure80]

Is there a need for a PCT with a win/dura/primo stack as long as you are taking a test product with it?

[lil_big_junior]

PCT is a must after any cycle bro. You should use Test in cycles anyway unless you don't like sex

[Endure80]

By the way let me introduce myself: I have been lifting for 7 years and I am 27. I weigh in at 205, and my height is 5'-8". I lift 5 days a week with cardio after every workout. My diet is mostly clean. I have only used test boosters and want to move on to the next level. I researched this stack and it seemed like a good one for what i want to accomplish, which is to slim down, get more vascular and hardening of the muscles with lean mass gain. I am open to any suggestions. What is a good PCT for this stack?

[fuzo]

Thats a horrible first cycle. stick with your basic cycle for 10-12 weeks. test only 500mg a week.see how well your body is going to respond and with a proper healthy diet and a training program you will get the results you want.your jumping to far ahead.And forget the primo until you have a couple yrs under your belt of cycles. dude baby steps man. . dude theres alot you need to read up on before you do a cycle. you need all this info inplace first.

[Endure80]

Originally Posted by fuzo

Thats a horrible first cycle. stick with your basic cycle for 10-12 weeks. test only 500mg a week.see how well your body is going to respond and with a proper healthy diet and a training program you will get the results you want.your jumping to far ahead.And forget the primo until you have a couple yrs under your belt of cycles. dude baby steps man. . dude theres alot you need to read up on before you do a cycle. you need all this info inplace first.

I have been doing alot of reading today. I think your right about this cycle. I read a bunch of superficial info on them, but I did some researching in depth and feel it is not the best choice. I appreciate the help though.

[under construction]

what is dura

[Endure80]

Originally Posted by under construction

what is dura

Deca

[lil_big_junior]

By what I'm seeing here is you're after a cutting cycle. Am I right? Fuck the Deca, it has too many sides not to mention your libido will be shit as anything, with Winny thrown in there aswell you might aswell give up sex for the rest of the year cos that's what's going to happen. Deca is over rated & it stays in your body for up to 18 months, if you'd compare that to Test it's only in your body for 3. Once again why would you want to use Deca. I'm not really fond of Winstrol either but if you want my opinion that is a SHIT cycle. You could pay me & I wouldn't take that.

Primo on the other hand is GREAT drug, but you need to use it for a minimum of 12 weeks at a high dose to see decent gains, which on the average user will become expensive.

If you want to do your first ever cycle try sticking to 12 weeks of Test Enanthate at 500mg EW followed by the correct PCT protocol. You can throw an Oral in there too for a kicker & possibly even to finish the cycle depending on what your goals are. Dbol is a great kicker on any bulk, or Tbol for a leaner dry gain. Var will be great in a Test cycle to cut in with.

Weeks 1-12 500mg Test E EW
Weeks 1-4 Dbol or Tbol at 30-50mg ED
Weeks 6-12 Anavar at 50mg ED to finish on cycle

2 weeks after last pin start PCT on Clomid for 4 weeks 50\50\50\50 (mg ED) then if need be go for a further 2 weeks at 25\25 (mg ED). Keeping Nolva on hip incase of any Gyno sides

[Endure80]

Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

By what I'm seeing here is you're after a cutting cycle. Am I right? Fuck the Deca, it has too many sides not to mention your libido will be shit as anything, with Winny thrown in there aswell you might aswell give up sex for the rest of the year cos that's what's going to happen. Deca is over rated & it stays in your body for up to 18 months, if you'd compare that to Test it's only in your body for 3. Once again why would you want to use Deca. I'm not really fond of Winstrol either but if you want my opinion that is a SHIT cycle. You could pay me & I wouldn't take that.

Primo on the other hand is GREAT drug, but you need to use it for a minimum of 12 weeks at a high dose to see decent gains, which on the average user will become expensive.

If you want to do your first ever cycle try sticking to 12 weeks of Test Enanthate at 500mg EW followed by the correct PCT protocol. You can throw an Oral in there too for a kicker & possibly even to finish the cycle depending on what your goals are. Dbol is a great kicker on any bulk, or Tbol for a leaner dry gain. Var will be great in a Test cycle to cut in with.

Weeks 1-12 500mg Test E EW
Weeks 1-4 Dbol or Tbol at 30-50mg ED
Weeks 6-12 Anavar at 50mg ED to finish on cycle

2 weeks after last pin start PCT on Clomid for 4 weeks 50\50\50\50 (mg ED) then if need be go for a further 2 weeks at 25\25 (mg ED). Keeping Nolva on hip incase of any Gyno sides

Thanks for the help and your honesty. I need to hear that. This is why I posted. I am looking for any info I can. I have been researching that stack and you are right it is not a good one. I did read up on Tren and it looks good, but I will save that for another cycle instead of the first. I think before I do anything, I am going to do alot more research. There is just so much material to read, and I am sure I have only read the tip of the iceburg.

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by Endure80

Thanks for the help and your honesty. I need to hear that. This is why I posted. I am looking for any info I can. I have been researching that stack and you are right it is not a good one. I did read up on Tren and it looks good, but I will save that for another cycle instead of the first. I think before I do anything, I am going to do alot more research. There is just so much material to read, and I am sure I have only read the tip of the iceburg.

Great choice bro...You got reps Enjoy your read