[thebestgopeder21]

at the same time I want to put on size.

hi guys, I'm new to this forum. I've actually been a member for a while now but this is my first post.

In doing some research, I saw that one of the best steroids for losing fat and putting on size is Winstrol.

I've never juiced before, so if i got on winstrol it'll be my first time.

The thing I'm confused about however is that their are obviously a variety of different steroids on the market. So I'm confused as to what is the best and in a sense the "safest" way to cycle.


And lastly, I heard that taking winny alone won't do shit. Someone recommended I taught half winny and half anavar. Can someone please help me?

[Zomb131]

Well..where to begin...

Diet and training is all you need to lose weight. Why do you wanna use gear?

Winny for your first? You should try Test E @ 500mg/week or if you want to stay drier Test Prop @ 450mg/week.

Also info needed...age? years training? what is your diet like? training?

[roccodart440]

anavar is the best AAS for losing fat but only when combined with test.

diet, traning , fat burner and a smart cycle .THat's the shopping lis.t

[youngmusclejock]

as others have posted above what are your stats.. Also post some pics, you may not even need steroids to achieve your goal, could just be your diet or training.

[Kaboom]

^^ all of the above more info needed bro!

[thebestgopeder21]

Some stats
I'm 20 years old
I'm 5'11" 250 pounds-- 21% body fat
I bench press 365 pounds. My biceps are 18". I have a 38" waist. Pretty big thighs and legs, i can squat about 500 pounds.

My diet now consists of basically this
Isopure Shake for breakfast with a banana
3 hours later a chicken breast (some times salmon)
3 hours later another chicken breast (sometimes salmon)
3 hours later another chicken breast (sometimes salmon)
Gym- half cardio/half weights
Dinner- a piece of fish with vegetables flavored with balsamic vinegar and a cup of brown rice.

Thing is i sorted let my self slip.I put on a lot of body fat over the past few months. I used to eat out of control, junk fatty foods. But i've been doing well since mid December, and cheated very little during the holidays.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by thebestgopeder21

Some stats
I'm 20 years old
I'm 5'11" 250 pounds-- 21% body fat
I bench press 365 pounds. My biceps are 18". I have a 38" waist. Pretty big thighs and legs, i can squat about 500 pounds.

My diet now consists of basically this
Isopure Shake for breakfast with a banana
3 hours later a chicken breast (some times salmon)
3 hours later another chicken breast (sometimes salmon)
3 hours later another chicken breast (sometimes salmon)
Gym- half cardio/half weights
Dinner- a piece of fish with vegetables flavored with balsamic vinegar and a cup of brown rice.

Thing is i sorted let my self slip.I put on a lot of body fat over the past few months. I used to eat out of control, junk fatty foods. But i've been doing well since mid December, and cheated very little during the holidays.

I wouldn't touch anabolics IMO. You need to get your diet in check and drop that body fat down to 12%-14%.

You need a in depth break down of your diet. Exact protein/carbs/fats per meal per day. Keep protein about 1.5x body weight, carbs 1x body weight, and keep fats below 90g/day.

[roccodart440]

YOu have plenty of test. You are strong enough.

You need diet/cardio.

[thebestgopeder21]

Originally Posted by Zomb131

I wouldn't touch anabolics IMO. You need to get your diet in check and drop that body fat down to 12%-14%.

You need a in depth break down of your diet. Exact protein/carbs/fats per meal per day. Keep protein about 1.5x body weight, carbs 1x body weight, and keep fats below 90g/day.

So your saying I should have 250 grams of carbs a day?

[youngmusclejock]

IMO, carbs are not the enemy! I take in high amounts of complex carbs and my bf has not changed. In fact it has decreased a bit, carbs are ur source of energy along with fat. I wouldn't recommend a fat burner, u need to get ur diet in check. Lower ur overall calories up Cardio and yes it can be done on a full stomach. U need at least bcca or protein to preserve muscle. Also what is ur post cycle shake or meal like.

[thebestgopeder21]

Post Cycle Meal is usually a cup of brown rice/ a 8oz. piece of salmon/ and either steamed broccoli w/ balsamic vinegar or green peas w/ balsamic vinegar.