[davethedog]

Hell, was just wondering how long it takes for Epi to start showing results?

I have just started a cycle, 10mg day 1, then 20 mg for the last 5 days, going to up it to 30mg from tomorrow....

I am not seeing any gains etc yet!

Thanks

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by davethedog

Hell, was just wondering how long it takes for Epi to start showing results?

I have just started a cycle, 10mg day 1, then 20 mg for the last 5 days, going to up it to 30mg from tomorrow....

I am not seeing any gains etc yet!

Thanks

It will take about a week for the strength gains to kick in. After that you will start to see the mass gains about 2-3weeks in. Dont expect to gain to much from this cycle. About 8-12pounds is common for someone who has never ran a pro-h or steroid cycle.

What are you using for cycle support and pct?

[davethedog]

Thanks for the reply, cycle support I am using Milk Thistle and Multi Vits, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS....

PCT using TEST DRIVE.

Plan on going for a 4 week cycle!

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by davethedog

Thanks for the reply, cycle support I am using Milk Thistle and Multi Vits, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS....

PCT using TEST DRIVE.

Plan on going for a 4 week cycle!

Whats the few other things?

And if thats all your using for pct your going to lose almost all your gains. You need a serm to get your boys back up and running and block estrogen. Also some sort of anti cort(Dhea can do this).

Also how is your diet? How long have you been lifting?

[JakeVendetta]

Dont be discouraged 20mg isnt that high of a dose... i would wait until you get into a week of 30mg and then judge from there and if still no gains go up to 40mg but i wouldnt go much higher then that, unless you have the experience. What kind of experience do you have with PH's?

Actually a SERM doesnt block estrogen it actually regulates it... estrogen is an important part of recovering HPTA function during PCT. A SERM is VITAL to any PCT, although some seem to think that being shutdown is a side effect it actually isnt, its a direct response... saying that its a side effect would be like saying a side effect of chokeing is not being able to breath. This is something you cant completely escape.... although some may get shutdown to a lesser degree... your natural test production is still being shut down. Get a SERM, there are legal routes you could take but are not as affective as say Clomid, Torm, or Tamoxafin.

Also DHEA does to some extent act as an anti cortisol but only as a secondary function, but 7-keto DHEA does in fact act as a anti-cortisol and would be much better then just hittin' up some DHEA.

[CrusaderMuscle]

I ran Epistane with Furazadrol (a non-methylated compound from Axis Labs) a few months ago. I probably should have used a SERM, but I only used 6-OXO Extreme, tribulus, and ZMA for my PCT. My nuts shrank and I saw a dip in sex drive after the cycle, but I'm back to normal now and feel fine. No puffy nipples or any type of estrogen-related sides. If I do this again, I'm gonna try to find a SERM though just in case.

[JakeVendetta]

Glad to hear you got your balls back! you should get your test levels tested incase of any residual shutdown that your not aware of. For the most part Test levels will return to normal after a PH cycle, but why risk all of the problems associated with not regaining your natural test levels? it would be like 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

[roccodart440]

WHat the hell is Epi?

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

WHat the hell is Epi?

Lol its a PH that closely resembles tren. Or thats what they say. I start my cycle either next week or the following.

[roccodart440]

I hate PH's....

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

I hate PH's....

Alot of people do... But some people would rather use them than real gear...

[roccodart440]

Yeah becasue they don't know any better