[donalddonald]

So I’m finally 21 and ready for gh I was wondering what am I looking at in 4 month with 2 iu daily? My friend told me that my fingers can still grow even thos genetically I’m done growing is that true?

[mindstar]

HGH growns everything. except your eyes and brain. though 2ius a day probably won't grow much at all. What are your goals in running gh?

i'm just curious. are you finnally ready because you're 21 or are you finnally ready because you've maxed your genetic potential and are ready to take the next step.

GH for 4 months is not really worth it in my opinion...6-12 months is better and you should be on gear to really see results.

If this is your first step, I might re-evaluate it bro.

[chrispghmuscle]

How many years of solid training have you been doing to this point.. Like mindstar mentioned..

[Seste]

Originally Posted by donalddonald

So I’m finally 21 and ready for gh I was wondering what am I looking at in 4 month with 2 iu daily? My friend told me that my fingers can still grow even thos genetically I’m done growing is that true?

Have you been on anything before?
How long have you been training naturally?
4 months is a waste of money.
You clearly need to know about the stuff before you even have in mind to take it.

[arcangel]

GH and roids are a big step, they need to be planned. If you do them short term, as soon as you stop you loose all the gains as the body goes into reverse. There are natural substances to raise testosterone and GH. I am posting info on this as I get results in.

Also milk has GH residue from whats given to the cows. An easy way to get GH is to drink a lot of milk. I have semi 5% fat milk, half a gallon a day, some people have a gallon a day. Its probably best to have 2 pints really for general health but if you like milk and a boost of GH then milk is easy and cheap.

[under construction]

Originally Posted by arcangel

GH and roids are a big step, they need to be planned. If you do them short term, as soon as you stop you loose all the gains as the body goes into reverse. There are natural substances to raise testosterone and GH. I am posting info on this as I get results in.

Also milk has GH residue from whats given to the cows. An easy way to get GH is to drink a lot of milk. I have semi 5% fat milk, half a gallon a day, some people have a gallon a day. Its probably best to have 2 pints really for general health but if you like milk and a boost of GH then milk is easy and cheap.

I dont want to have a pissing match here bud but this is the second time I have seen you say that after a cycle of aas you lose all your gains and since I know you read and study my question is you dont really believe that do you

[arcangel]

Originally Posted by under construction

I dont want to have a pissing match here bud but this is the second time I have seen you say that after a cycle of aas you lose all your gains and since I know you read and study my question is you dont really believe that do you

I know the process but have not done roids so I talk on this in a general way.

If an external source of testosterone and GH are introduced into the body. The body then naturally produces less its self. As soon as someone comes off the roids, the body is then in a very catabolic state as its not producing as much as before the roids. The person then looses muscle because of the catablic state until the body rebalances itself to normal levels. As it takes a while to rebalance, the gains are lost. You dont loose the gains over night. It can take a month.

The upshot being doing roids for a month will not really help you in the long term. If you wanted to bulk for a photo shoot right after the roid cycle then that would work, but if you just want to bulk then roids are a long term thing. For example a year.

My point was really about doing only one cycle of roids not being worth it in the long term. If you did them for a year or more then you would not loose it all.

[under construction]

Originally Posted by arcangel

I know the process but have not done roids so I talk on this in a general way.

If an external source of testosterone and GH are introduced into the body. The body then naturally produces less its self. As soon as someone comes off the roids, the body is then in a very catabolic state as its not producing as much as before the roids. The person then looses muscle because of the catablic state until the body rebalances itself to normal levels. As it takes a while to rebalance, the gains are lost. You dont loose the gains over night. It can take a month.

The upshot being doing roids for a month will not really help you in the long term. If you wanted to bulk for a photo shoot right after the roid cycle then that would work, but if you just want to bulk then roids are a long term thing. For example a year.

My point was really about doing only one cycle of roids not being worth it in the long term. If you did them for a year or more then you would not loose it all.

Igot ya bud, But I know a few people who lost a little after cycle but remained stronger than before without cycling again for over a year but then pct plays a role there too.

[arcangel]

Its a shame there are side effects to roids. Thats the main reason why I avoid them. I have trouble enough affording suppliments at the moment. I am trying to keep up the cyclone though. It works well for me. My chest is still pumped from yesterdays chest work out. Cyclone is about 150 US dollars a month. Creatine is a 3 month cycle, 1 month off, (2 off if you can). It puts a strain on the liver, as the liver has to metabolise the creatine everyday for 3 months.

[mindstar]

Originally Posted by arcangel

If an external source of testosterone and GH are introduced into the body. The body then naturally produces less its self. As soon as someone comes off the roids, the body is then in a very catabolic state as its not producing as much as before the roids. The person then looses muscle because of the catablic state until the body rebalances itself to normal levels. As it takes a while to rebalance, the gains are lost. You dont loose the gains over night. It can take a month.

While what you say its true, it's no longer the 1970's and people can keep their gains with careful PCT and nutrition. No one with a brain cycles gear for only a month...beginner cycles start at 10 weeks.

And you actually drink 5% milk? Is that like melted butter? lol. I can't even stomach 2%. I doubt that there's very much effect from the hormones that they've fed the cow...I've yet to see convincing research on this, if you have any please post it.

As for natural test and gh boosters, the only ones that work are Squats.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by donalddonald

So I’m finally 21 and ready for gh I was wondering what am I looking at in 4 month with 2 iu daily? My friend told me that my fingers can still grow even thos genetically I’m done growing is that true?

Good luck bro, if i could afford it i would run it year round.

GH isn't something you just run for four months. you must run it for at LEAST 6 months to see anything from it. Most users are year round users of GH and never really come off.

You can start with 2iu/day but it's up to the individual. There are MANY MANY different ways to run GH, some do 10IU/day 3-4 days per week, some do 4-5iu's/5 days week. You can start with 2iu/day to test the waters and work your way up to see if you any sides from the GH.

No, your fingers will NOT grow..they may swell but that's it.

[arcangel]

Originally Posted by mindstar

While what you say its true, it's no longer the 1970's and people can keep their gains with careful PCT and nutrition. No one with a brain cycles gear for only a month...beginner cycles start at 10 weeks.

And you actually drink 5% milk? Is that like melted butter? lol. I can't even stomach 2%. I doubt that there's very much effect from the hormones that they've fed the cow...I've yet to see convincing research on this, if you have any please post it.

As for natural test and gh boosters, the only ones that work are Squats.

Here its a brand name so I just checked and the fat content is 1.7g per 100g So 1.7%

I have a research paper about the GH thing from milk. Active residue was found to raise GH in people tested with it. I will post it soon as I can. It was a study from the USA where traces of anti biotics and bovian GH where found in the milk. People tested had higher than normal levels of GH.

Might be why I dont get ill much, all those anti biotics in me hehe

With cows their teats get infected so they are given anti biotics. I am very tempted to buy organic milk now, no hormones no nothing. Still pasturised though.

My original post was really directed at people new to the roid scene, about to get a few tablets from Joe Blow they met at the back door of the gym. Thats why I said roids are a more long term thing and its best you know what you are doing and have a plan. Injections need to be done correctly because if you hit a vein etc.

If someone asks about taking roids for the first time, I like to advise them to go to a private clinic where they get real advice. In Europe its ok to use if you go to a private clinic. You can get the lot, test, GH, think shopping mall hehe. Medicine in Europe is in a different world if you can pay the bucks. Particularly from legal perspective.