[mperk]

OK OK so I'm old (40's) but I am still into trying my first cycle in 08. I have a good diet but too much BF (20%) and it's been that way a long time so I need to do something to change that and bulk up.
Workout hard 5-6 days a week
20 mins cardio 4 days a week.

ht 6-2
wt 190
want to get to 200-210 with 15% bf or less.

First cycle
10 weeks
clen twice for 3 weeks each
Cyto in between for 4 weeks
Winny for the whole 10 weeks


Any thots? Thanks dudes!

[under construction]

hey bud just to give you a heads up the guys here are going to hate this cycle they hate clen and winny and they have good reason. If I were you I would leave your stats and goals and let them advise you from there. just so it doesnt take you by surprise. Wwlcome to the forum these guys will fix you up right

[justlift32]

if your bodyfat is to high, the problem is most likely your diet bro. post your diet in the nutrition section and have it critiqued.

as for AAS use, mindstar and triddy are currently looking that the thread so i won't even bother commenting as they are more knowledgeable in that field.

[Freak]

I would cut below 10%, see where you are at. Get a solid bulk diet and see where you can go from there. Then consider. How long have you been training. Maybe you just need hormone replacement therapy and a solid diet.

[TRiddy05]

Cosign. Good posts all around. First of all I dont like the cycle that you outlined at all. You need some test in there. Winny is a very harsh steroid and not a good choice for a first cycle. Also I dont see any dosages in the cycle you outlined. But regardless, your bf is too high to consider a cycle. At that high of bf you have very poor blood chemistry to start a cycle and may actually find that you put on more fat. If you are over about 12% bf it is more difficult to put on lean mass and more likely that you will hold a lot of water. I would try to get your diet tighter and increase your cardio. ECA or other fat burners will help as well. Once you get down to at least 14% bf then I think that a Test and Var cycle would help you to get rid of the stubborn bf. Also your goal of adding 10-20 lbs and dropping 5 % bf is unrealistic especially with a winny and clen cycle. Bulking/Cutting cycles dont work. It is important to pick one or the other or you will get little results in either direction. IMO hold off until you can drop your bf a bit and then start a cycle.

[chrispghmuscle]

LOL,, sorry 40 is not that old bro.. I heal like a 20 year old.. Interesting that your considering starting gear.. What made you decide to go in that direction?

If you don't mind me asking.

Chris

[moorey]

Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

LOL,, sorry 40 is not that old bro.. I heal like a 20 year old.. Interesting that your considering starting gear.. What made you decide to go in that direction?

If you don't mind me asking.

Chris

Chris unlike you who are still a rampant stud, most of us over 40's guys need HRT and this is just self help therapy so to speak lol

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by moorey

Chris unlike you who are still a rampant stud, most of us over 40's guys need HRT and this is just self help therapy so to speak lol

OMG Moorey,,, I needed a good laugh today,, Merry Christmas bro nice to talk to you today.. HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH.. that comment is killing me, LMAO.. ( most of us over 40's guys need HRT ) --pounding the table laughing----.. LMAO..

[moorey]

Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

OMG Moorey,,, I needed a good laugh today,, Merry Christmas bro nice to talk to you today.. HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH.. that comment is killing me, LMAO.. ( most of us over 40's guys need HRT ) --pounding the table laughing----.. LMAO..

Same to you bud, you old stud you lol

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by moorey

Same to you bud, you old stud you lol

I still work it like a 20 year old bro.. Stamina too I have no complaints!!!

[moorey]

Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

I still work it like a 20 year old bro.. Stamina too I have no complaints!!!

Yer i know wat you mean Chris, im still hanging on to my youth, but I let her out when she wants to go shopping hehe