[lil_big_junior]

ok fellas, i'm far from not knowing anything on this subject so please don't post if you don't know fuck all on what i'm about to ask. sorry for being harsh, but i just need a little recognition on this cycle for a friend as he thinks what i suggested was too much gear to take over that period of time...this is his 2nd cycle & personally i dont think it's bad at all. well, APART FROM THE WINNY, lol

he has;

X 32 amps of organon sus250
X 3 vials of bd eq 200mg\ml
X 3 boxes of clomid 12X50mg
X 2 boxes of nolva 30X20mg
X 2 bottles of proviron 20X25mg
X 1 pack bd 100x5mg winstrol tabs

i suggested a 16 week cycle

weeks 1-16 sus at 500mg EW = 32 amps
weeks 1-12 eq at 400mg EW = 3 vials
weeks 1-4 30mg winny ED or from 8-12 weeks instead of 1-4 = 84 tabs
proviron on hip to help just incase of any bloat

then followed by PCT (which isn't the problem) 2 weeks after last injection for 5 weeks;
clomid\nolva
50\40
50\40
25\20
25\20
25\10


the problem is, he thinks this is too much gear to take at once, let me know what you think

or if you can suggest another cycle for what he has, be my guest, IMO, personally i'd stick to the one i gave him. since he isn't a member on the forum i thought i'd ask for him so he can see for himself that what i orignially suggested is fine

[rIPPDUP]

i'd say you have given him a pretty decent cycle there lbj....although i have heard that you should run sus for 8 weeks, not 12. definitely agree with the winny.....i'd probably phase that out if it were me.

[anthk]

i think it sounds good
the sus could be run at 750 for 12 weeks unless you want the get the eq to last till the 16th week eq can take its time so 12 weeks minimum
thus buying more gear but if you only have that then may be keep it 12 weeks with frontloading the leftover sus from 12 weeks of 500 but persoanly i think 500 to 750 makes a big difference.. well for me it did

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by rIPPDUP

i'd say you have given him a pretty decent cycle there lbj....although i have heard that you should run sus for 8 weeks, not 12. definitely agree with the winny.....i'd probably phase that out if it were me.

thx bro, but what you heard is misinformation to an extent, i've run many sus cycles mostly over 12 weeks. but an 8 week blitz on a gram of sus EW did me wonders for size

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by anthk

i think it sounds good
the sus could be run at 750 for 12 weeks unless you want the get the eq to last till the 16th week eq can take its time so 12 weeks minimum
thus buying more gear but if you only have that then may be keep it 12 weeks with frontloading the leftover sus from 12 weeks of 500 but persoanly i think 500 to 750 makes a big difference.. well for me it did

thx anthk, but this cycle is not for me it's for a friend...when i was cycling a year or so back i'd do no less than 1g sus per week & that did make big difference...but i can't really see him use anymore than 2ml sus a week, he's a bit of a pussy when it comes to this, loooooooool...he said that he don't want to be spending anymore money on anything else as it's xmas coming up, lol poor fucker's got 5 kids what can you say to that apart from a broke bank account

as you all know i hate winny too, & i wouldn't advise anyone using it, so when i spoke to him last night i suggested to get rid of the winny & i'd personally get him some tbol in replacement to that. after all the warnings, i still can't believe he's ordered all this online, lets hope it's a legit trusted source but to me it does look real enough. i will keep you updated on his gains, but in the mean time fellas keep your comments coming.

where art thou rocco & zomb1...or maybe even triddy

i won't be on for the rest of the day cos i'm at the office already, i hate early fuckin starts. by the time i come back tonight i'm sure i'll have some good posts to read up on

[TRiddy05]

IMO using 500mg a weeks of Sustanon is a waste. You are completely wasting the prop ester and you are wasting the phenyl prop to an extent. Id tell your friend to man the fuck up and buy another 16 amps of Sustanon, and run 750mg/week (MWF). If hes not going to buy more then I would suggest that he shoot it E3D so at least he isnt wasting the phenylprop. EQ dose is low but it should help with appetite and endurance. He should get some adex or aromisin in case of gyno and bloat. The proviron helps but I wouldn't count on that alone. If hes gonna run the cycle for 16 weeks then HCG would be a good idea. Tell him to get some dbol to kickstart, it cheap and it would make a nice addition to the cycle. I wouldnt use Winny or Id up it to 50mg ED. I think what you laid out is about the best cycle with what hes got but he should get some more gear. Just a little more overall would make a big difference in the quality of his cycle.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Sustanon 750mg/week
Weeks 12-15 Winny 50mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Provioron 25-50mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Adex .5-1mg EOD as needed
Weeks 4-15 HCG 250 IU 2 X per week

PCT as laid out starting 3 weeks after last sustanon injection.

[lil_big_junior]

^^^i strongly agree...great post bro

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by TRiddy05

IMO using 500mg a weeks of Sustanon is a waste. You are completely wasting the prop ester and you are wasting the phenyl prop to an extent. Id tell your friend to man the fuck up and buy another 16 amps of Sustanon, and run 750mg/week (MWF). If hes not going to buy more then I would suggest that he shoot it E3D so at least he isnt wasting the phenylprop. EQ dose is low but it should help with appetite and endurance. He should get some adex or aromisin in case of gyno and bloat. The proviron helps but I wouldn't count on that alone. If hes gonna run the cycle for 16 weeks then HCG would be a good idea. Tell him to get some dbol to kickstart, it cheap and it would make a nice addition to the cycle. I wouldnt use Winny or Id up it to 50mg ED. I think what you laid out is about the best cycle with what hes got but he should get some more gear. Just a little more overall would make a big difference in the quality of his cycle.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Sustanon 750mg/week
Weeks 12-15 Winny 50mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Provioron 25-50mg ED
Weeks 1-13 Adex .5-1mg EOD as needed
Weeks 4-15 HCG 250 IU 2 X per week

PCT as laid out starting 3 weeks after last sustanon injection.

Bump EQ to 600mg, cycle length should be 16-20 weeks IMO. Proviron 50mg ED. Winny is NOT needed. IMO doesn't go with the cycle.

[roccodart440]

I think the cycle you gave him is fine. I would shorten the cycleand run 750mg EW od the sus for as long as that lasts. I think the EQ dose is way light but if that's all he has that's all he has. I don't like winny but if he feels it is a must to run it i'd go 1-4 with it. Proviron does little or nothing for bloat so I hope he didn't buy that with big expectations.

[lil_big_junior]

he is expecting alot from this cycle & to be honest i've told him to hold out a while & get more gear...thx for the replies fellas