Questions about cycle.

Neil_D · 11-19-2007, 07:31 PM

Age: 22
Height: 187cms
Weight 167.5lbs
Goals of cycle: Increase muscle mass by 18-20lbs.

Cycle (starting in Feb 2008):

Week 1 - 12 Test E @ 500mg/week (2 x 250mg shots on monday & thursday).

Week 1 - 4 DBol @ 40mg/daily (20/20 am/pm non-trg days or 10/30 am/30minspreWO trg days).

Week 13 - 16 PCT: Clomid @ 50/50/50/50 and Nolva
@ 40/40/20/20.

Questions:

1. Can anyone think of anything I'm missing to minimise the risk of side effects for a first cycle. E.g. Taurine for cramps etc...

2. Should I be tapering down the Clomid in week 16 & 17 like with the Nolva?

3. As i'd be shooting twice a week what would be the best location for them (current research is poiting to alternating glutes but maybe someone has a better suggestion)? and what size pins should I be looking at for this location?

4. If I take my last shot on the thursday of week 12, will a 4 week PCT be long enough or will I need an extra week?

5. While using the DBol should I stop using creatine mono, mainly concerned about the 30mins preWO serve i'd have of creatine?

I'm happy for anyone to critique my cycle but please can you briefly explain why (if) you don't agree so I can keep learning.

Thanks in advance.

Tony Bologna · 11-19-2007, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_D

Age: 22
Height: 187cms
Weight 167.5lbs
Goals of cycle: Increase muscle mass by 10-12lbs.

Cycle (starting in Feb 2008):

Week 1 - 12 Test E @ 500mg/week (2 x 250mg shots on monday & thursday).

Week 1 - 4 DBol @ 40mg/daily (20/20 am/pm non-trg days or 10/30 am/30minspreWO trg days).

Week 1 - 12 Armidex @ .5mg EOD to lessen bloat and prevent gyno.

Week 15 - 18 PCT: Clomid @ 150/100/50/50 and Nolva
@ 40/40/20/20.

Questions:

1. Can anyone think of anything I'm missing to minimize the risk of side effects for a first cycle?
Liver support- Liv52 or Milk Thistle @ 500mg/ed or both.
Cholesterol support- Hawthorn Berry @ 500mg/ed, Red Yeast Rice @ 600mg/ed, CoQ10 @ 100mg, Flush Free Niacin @ 500mg.
Acne- I just used Dawn dishwash soap the antibacterial kind, it drys my skin and worked, never had a problem with acne tho but used it with a loofah to prevent acne. Also I go to a tanning booth.
PWO- L-Glutamine (Drop the creatine).

2. Should I be tapering down the Clomid in week 16 & 17 like with the Nolva? Advice above in cycle.

3. As i'd be shooting twice a week what would be the best location for them (current research is pointing to alternating glutes but maybe someone has a better suggestion)? Glutes, Delts, Quads there all good sites.
And what size pins should I be looking at for this location? 22-23ga. X 1-1.5" needle

4. If I take my last shot on the thursday of week 12, will a 4 week PCT be long enough or will I need an extra week? Depends on how fast your body recovers, add a week if you feel necessary or add a OTC natural test booster in your PCT aswell like 6-OXO.

5. While using the DBol should I stop using creatine mono, mainly concerned about the 30mins preWO serve i'd have of creatine? Drop creatine all together.

I'm happy for anyone to critique my cycle but please can you briefly explain why (if) you don't agree so I can keep learning.

Thanks in advance.

(Advice is in red) I'm sure you can gain more weight/muscle naturally with a good high calorie diet tho looking at your stats. Well goodluck with your cycle bro.

**roccodart440** · 11-20-2007, 11:09 AM

Is this your 1st cycle?

ALso i'd run dbol 1-3 & 10-12

Aromasin for bloat over adex.

I'd start clomid halfway though week 14.

NEVER run over 50mg clomid ED. There is no reason for it EVER.

If you are runinng nolvadex with clomid there is no need for over 20mg ED. You are already taking more than you nede by adding nolvadex to begin with.

I shoot tries, delts and occasioanly quads. 23-25g 5/8"-1"

Do not take any natural test boosters or 6oxo crap.

Use hcg 250iu 2x per week from week 3-13.

Take creatine the whole way unless BP becomes an issue.

Neil_D · 11-20-2007, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the comments guys.

Rocco with the Aromasin i've read it's not suggested to use it if you have liver problems, will the stress on my liver from the cycle be an issue? If I take something like liv52 as Tony suggested do you think that would be enough to remove any risks? The recommended dosage is 25mgED, would this still be the same considering i'd be on a cycle?
and when you say over adex, do you mean stacked with or you prefer it over the a-dex?

Thanks.

*edit - and yes this is my first cycle.

**Freak** · 11-20-2007, 07:49 PM

Neil, please rest on this bro, you are 22 so you haven't been training seriously for very long and you only weigh 167lbs @ 5'11"! Get your diet down and you will gain weight. Even with gear if your diet sucks so will your gains.

Neil_D · 11-20-2007, 11:36 PM

Freak i've had a fairly solid diet for the past 12 months and made good gains, i'm just about to have a new one written up with a new trg program as i've hit a plateua for the 2 months, i'll PM you it when it's done and see what you think.

I'm going to go down every path possible before AAS i'm just trying to get as much info as early as i can on every possible option that i'm faced with.

Thanks for the advice though, duely noted.

**Freak** · 11-20-2007, 11:58 PM

Well I appreciate the fact that you are actually putting in the time to research them since they are drugs, some people overlook that and are just like give me a cycle.

I will be glad to look it over anytime!

Tony Bologna · 11-21-2007, 01:47 AM

Neil_D · 11-21-2007, 05:37 AM

sorry guys i've converted my weight wrong, i'm 182lbs (so 83kgs in my part of the world).

**roccodart440** · 11-26-2007, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil_D

Thanks for the comments guys.

Rocco with the Aromasin i've read it's not suggested to use it if you have liver problems, will the stress on my liver from the cycle be an issue? If I take something like liv52 as Tony suggested do you think that would be enough to remove any risks? The recommended dosage is 25mgED, would this still be the same considering i'd be on a cycle?
and when you say over adex, do you mean stacked with or you prefer it over the a-dex?

Thanks.

*edit - and yes this is my first cycle.

THe hepatoxicitty isn't an issue and i'm talking about running aromasin instead od adex not stacked with it. BTW 25mg ED is the recomended dose but you can always back off to 12.5mg ED or even less than that depending on how bad your issue is.

Neil_D · 01-16-2008, 06:32 AM

bit of an update.

firstly, Freak did you get my Pm with the diet i've been following? i'll post it up for everyone closer to the cycle with my training program.

this is how it's looking at the moment.

test e - 250mg/2xweek for weeks 1 - 12
dbol - 30mg/ED for weeks 1 - 3 & 9 - 12 (if sides are acceptable i'll move upto 40mg after 1st week)

HCG - 250iu/2xweek for weeks 3 - 12
Arimidex - .5mg/EOD for weeks 1 - 12

Nolvadex - 40(thurs - sun)/40/40/20/20

I'll be pinning on monday and thursday of each week.

The HCG is by a company called Organon (pregnyl), the Arimidex is by Zeneca, and the Nolvadex is by Genepharm (zymoplex). Does anyone have any experience with these?

The dbol is 10mg blue hearts, and the test e is still being sourced but will post pics once it's done.

Thoughts?

*edited to show updated dbol plan

**roccodart440** · 01-16-2008, 09:35 AM

EVerything is looking pretty good. Again I would recomend aromasin over adex and don't use it until you need it (trust me you will know) I would run dbol 9-12 as well. I would run clomid in PCT with or without nolvadex. REmember you can extend PCT as long as you'd like and I would start it halfway thrpough week 14.