Deca/Sustanon Cycle

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 09:30 AM

Greetings, this thread is about my friend Ramin who's doing his second cycle comprising of Deca and Sus. Now the first time he did a cycle he told me he did just Deca with no PCT!!! that shocked me... the first thing i asked him was did u get any bitch tits and he said "yer how'd u know that"?

I though to myself. He was a skinny guy to being with so the end result same physique probably worse off hormonally.

He's now doing Deca and Sustanon for the first three weeks he says he will be doing 500mg Deca and 500mg of Sus on Mon and Thursday. The rest of the 10 weeks cycle will comprise of 250mg Deca and 250mg of Sus on Mon & Thur. He says he'll pick up some clomid for after.

He's 19 about 5"10 and 74kg's he says he gained 4kgs so far in his first week into the cycle.

Now what i found disturbing was that he is using 2000mg of gear a week for the first three weeks!!! then 1000mg a week for the rest of the 7 weeks. Thats wayyyyy too much and i think it could mess him up in the future big time... what are your guys opinions on this? could he f*ck himself up?

As soon as i get some replies im going to tell him what you guys at the dungeon think. I think he's an idiot... but then i just want to help him not kill his body hence me writing all this

MrWeapon · 11-14-2007, 09:34 AM

Hey mate, i'm from Sydney Australia aswell.
It seems like a bit too much.

Speak to the more informative boys on here, they're good blokes, they'll help you out heaps.

TRiddy05 · 11-14-2007, 09:57 AM

You friend is front loading since he is running no orals. The idea is that he will reach the desired blood levels for the compound faster. I think that the general formula there is like 1.75X desired amount for 2 weeks. So he could probably cut it a week shorter than that. But overall I think his test dosage is low and his deca dosage is moderate. He should run at least 1.5X test to deca from what Ive been told. He may run into deca dick but Im sure impotence is nothing new for a guy who cycles deca only or does no pct. He also needs some caber to deal with prolactin build up or he will probably get p.i.g. again as he is prone to it. And sust needs to be shot EOD, I dont understand why people dont fucking get this. No one would shoot prop twice a week, so why would you shoot sust twice a week. I mean granted it has other esters in it. But the phenylprop needs to be shot E3d at least not every 3-4 days. If it were me I would actually advise him to do more gear, like so:
Weeks 1-4: Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Sustanon 750mg/week (shot MWF)
Weeks 1-11 Deca 350-500mg/week (2x per week is fine)
Caber and Aromisin/Adex/Letro on hand

PCT 3 weeks after last inject of sustanon.

-Riddy

MrWeapon · 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM

So..
For example: if you were doing 600mg of sustanon weekly.. you recommend injecting mon/wed/fri..

Does that mean you inject mon (200mg)
wed (200mg)
fri (200mg)

?

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM

Thanks for the info Triddy... If it were me i's just keep it simple 500mg Test E and would have great gains from it thats what i plan on doing for my first cycle though.

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 10:02 AM

Yer Weapon thats what he means...

MrWeapon · 11-14-2007, 10:08 AM

Awesome :)
Finally a sydney champion on here aswell.

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 10:10 AM

The problem is he's uneducated also triddy in a few days ill be running salbutamol which is more effective then clen with less sides some ketotifen and T3 any tips for how i should use it together?

Ive done Clen and T4 cycles before but ive wasted my time with the T4 as T3 is the way to go and i felt the clen didnt work after a week most likely due to receptor down regulation the reason why im adding the ketotifen

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 10:13 AM

haha champion thanks bro do you have msn messenger? if you do give me ur addy so i can add you. I'm interested in talking to some Sydney based muscle heads...

**roccodart440** · 11-14-2007, 10:49 AM

TRiddy: great advice on the original post.

Metalmx: Why do you fuck around with clen much less thyroid hromone? ECA, nitor or trimspa x32 works on every client i've ever had use them. Diet man. That plus a general fat burner is plenty and it won't reak havok on your heart or thyoid.

Now on to some thyriod education: T3 is more harsh and potent than T4 but T4 can be just as effective. THe thing is thyroid hormone is something you should be messing around with unless....

A) you are on gear to prevent catabolism. T4 but especiall T3 will eat muscle like nothing else at BB doses.

B) You have a thyroid deficiency which is treated by T4 and not T3 and in that case you already have an issue. Have te doc bring you to normal.

C) YOu are actually competing in BB'ing.

Last your friend is an idiot.

MetalMX · 11-14-2007, 09:59 PM

Look theirs nothing wrong with using salbutamol... its a great drug can be cycled and provides no draw backs for myself personally and its more effective than clen. With T3 i know how to use it bro i'm not one to fuck around with drugs that could permanently shut down my thyroid as for dosages i would use 75mcg MAX no higher with a very high protein diet including BCAA's.

Yes i do diet man year around! So don't think i just wanna eat burger and fries all day while popping fat burners because thats not the case.

Also i am interested in competing next year or the year after i will be for sure. I've talked to Phil from phil's fitness and bodybuilding here in Penrith Sydney. He's an Australian Pro and trains with Luke Wood he says i have a lot of potential and i could step on stage by next year around 95-100kgs with my height of 190cm and small joints it would look insane and win a show if my diet and training are on par... sorry to change the subject but just wanted to let you know

**Freak** · 11-14-2007, 11:34 PM

You are the one coming on here and asking questions about them. You are STILL asking about t4 even though you said you were going to the doctor.. You ask questions and then respond like you think you know what you are talking about.

Bottom line is you are too young to be thinking about anything other than supplements and food.

MrWeapon · 11-15-2007, 12:56 AM

Age does matter.. though if someone has their mind set to something and wants to try them, i'm sure they'll do it.
I don't think we can stop them.
So at least let's get him the best possible information he can get. Cause at least if he does try them he does what is meant to be done.

I'm no smart dude either.
That's why i love this site, cause it's so informative.