Help with my 18 week cycle!!!!

hehateme000 · 10-26-2007, 06:46 AM

ok, so i want to take a cycle that includes anadrol, sustanon, some test (probably e) and then some PCT of course (Nolva, Clomid). Ive been liftin for the past 5 years for football and then for recreation, but now im gettin serious. Im 20 and i have taken a mild cycle before this, but jus some test e and thats it (PCT of course, tho). What is the best way to stack these and what doses should i take? and for how long would be the best? this is what im thinking....i know i probably shouldnt have gone with the anadrol but i already have it and i want to try it out anyway so plz dont say anything about the anadrol just critique everything else!!!

And by the way this is jus my 2nd cycle so i dont want to get too serious

Week 1-4 --- Anadrol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 - Test E 500mg EW
Week 3-14 - HCG 250mg 2x a week (Mon/Thur)
Week 13-14 - Test P 150mg EOD

Week 15 ---- Clomid 100mg ED /// Nolva 40mg
Week 16 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 40mg
Week 17 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 20mg
Week 18 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 20mg

Oh and are there other things i should take with this like liver protectors (Liv-52) and milk thistle, vitamin b12 (?) for acne, or things like Lasix for water retention?? Plz let me know thanks a lot

1 more thing---is there anyway i can add sustanon in there or replace it somehow? i heard its pretty good....

**roccodart440** · 10-26-2007, 09:40 AM

LIv 52 or milk thistle for the liver and aromasin for bloat but only if needed. YOu could run sust instead of the test E. That cycle isn't bad but i'm not a fan of drol. dbol is much better IMO.

hehateme000 · 10-26-2007, 05:22 PM

alright thanks rocco and steel, i think im gonna go with the UD-LIV instead of the LIV-52. For Bloat are u guys saying to take aromasin instead?? also, i do want to make this cycle shorter, more like 8-10 weeks. ill just stick with the test e but i do have 2 vials of the sustanon250 so i think thats only a weeks worth.

Week 1-4 --- Anadrol 50mg ED *****
Week 1-8 - Test E 500mg EW
Week 3-10 - HCG 250mg 2x a week (Mon/Thur)
Week 9-10 - Test P 150mg EOD

Week 11 ---- Clomid 100mg ED /// Nolva 40mg
Week 12 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 40mg
Week 13 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 20mg
Week 14 ---- Clomid 50mg ED /// Nolva 20mg

Would this be a better cycle if i was trying to stay a little safer but know that i would not get as dramatic of results??

*****I read somewhere that it might be better to take half the anadrol (25 mg) before workout, and 25 mg sometime after.....

deadlift14 · 10-27-2007, 01:47 AM

10-12. it will reach its full effect at 8 weeks. useless to cut it at that.

steelframe · 10-27-2007, 02:37 PM

ur gains will solely depend upon ur calorie intake and training intesnsity.
juice can only do so much. dont rely heavily upon it ,ull be dissapointed. eat like a motherfucker.
also, u shd take alfaalfa syrup. this will protect ur system and boost ur appetite to the sky.
gdluck

TRiddy05 · 10-28-2007, 11:53 PM

I think your first cycle looks great. Its a 14 week cycle not an 18 week cycle and your running HCG throughout. I just finished my first cycle of test E at 500mg/week for 12 weeks, actually 14 weeks when you take the half life into account and I havent been having much trouble recovering and I didnt use HCG. You can up the drol if you want. On a mg to mg basis it is about half as strong as dbol (so Ive been told) so a standard dose is 100mg but 50mg would be fine as well. As far as the sustanon I dont really see any reason to add it to this cycle. You could use it instead. Anyway looks good to me bro. Good luck

**roccodart440** · 10-29-2007, 09:43 AM

I would run the test 10-12 weeks. Followed by two weeks of prop. Steelframe has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to shutdown. Absolutly none.

I don't know if LIv 52 is god or not but milk thistle is what I use. Keep in mind the liver toxicity of AAS is highly exaggerated. IF youa re going to run drol for 4 weeks i'd stay at 50mg. 100mg of drol seems to make my BP go up and drol's sides are very hard to control.

Agreee do not use lasix at all.

oh, week 1 take 1cc of sust and 1cc of test E, 2 times. That will use up your sust effectively.

steelframe · 10-29-2007, 02:22 PM

livertoxicity of AAS is exagerrated??i disagree completely.
ive used almost all oral AAS out there and have seen and observed my BP, URINE colour chnge by the day.
i had blood tests done and learnd tht liver is smthng u want 2 protect when ure onAAS...even if its 20mg winny a day...my advice--U USE ORAL AAS..DO NOT DEPEND ON LIV-52 FOR LIVER PROTECTION.

its good u use milk thislte...my only purpose of posting here is tht i can tell ppl how EXTREMLY overpriced, overrated liv-52 is....this shit is nthng more than m&ms.
take it from some1 who knws and has learnd the hard way....THRU JAUNDICE.

**roccodart440** · 10-29-2007, 02:50 PM

Yes, liver toxicity of AAS is hoighly exaggerated. Medical use of orals, i.e anadrol highly exceeds what most BB'ers use. Also the durations are typically much longer. Tylenol is far more liver toxic than dbol at prescriprion doses.

If your urine color is changing it has nothing to do with your liver. It has to do with the kidneys. THe AAS that most affects the kidneys is tren/deca/drol.

I don't dissagree in not relying on LIV-52. THere just isn't enough proof out there for me. Milk thistle works. I've seen it 1st hand. Keep in mind physicians don't even use liver protection. With the excpetion of long term, highly toxic meds they don't even monitor your liver.

If you went jaundice from AAS use. YOu have major probs. I've never seen such a thing. Mayube it was either the way you used it or you have a preexisting problme.

steelframe · 10-29-2007, 03:02 PM

it wasdefntly the way i used it....i was abusing steroids without my knwoledge..2 yrs back..i didnt even knw wht steroids were. iwas depenent on my coach
my coach put me on winny tabs..and i wastaking 50mg a day.back then...acc to popular belief--i was using LIV52DS(double stregth).i ignored warinig signals bcoz i dint knwe wht was going on insid.e.and hence, got jaundice
here,in india whereppl cnt spell STEROIDS..full of abusers. ppl fall prey to jaundice, hepastitis all the time.
so i knw wht im talkng abt....and blieve me---THEYRE ALL ON LIV-53.

AND YES, I AGREE 100? tht milk thistle works

**Zomb131** · 10-29-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by steelframe

18weeks is a loong cycle.
u risk supressing natural hormone production.
pls never ever exceed 50mg dosage.theres a whole lotta test here. u mightwanna cut either sus or test e out and maybe throw in some deca or equipoise.
if i were u i would not use lsix..it turns ur kidneys into fckn dry leaves.make u pee all day long.
why wd u use test prop with sus...sus250 has test prop in it.
ure gonna get big after this cycle.
good luck

Do you even know what your doing to your body?

Please don't post on topics where you obviously don't have a clue. ANY more posts like this will be deleted.

There is too much off topic crap in this tread for me.

As for lasix bro, NO! If you have a problem with water use A-dex @ .5mg EOD, but don't go overboard. You need estrogen to build muscle.

hehateme000 · 10-30-2007, 03:33 AM

zomb are u asking me what im doin to my body or steel?? haha well thx for all the info im gonna get started here pretty soon, and rocco ill use those 2 sustanon vials in week 1 thx for that. and zomb, ill get the arimidex and use it when it becomes a problem, thx for that. and triddy, how was the gains with 12 weeks of test e???

ill just stick to my first cycle from all the posts, and add milk thistle in. ill also keep arimidex on hand, and ill let u guys know throughout how i do........wish me luck i hope i get bigggggg