[TRiddy05]

Just finished my first cycle and will be starting PCT soon. 500mg test E/ per week 40mg dbol weeks 1-4. Gained 30lbs at max. Anyway I have another 12-16 weeks before I start my next cycle but it took me a while to plan my first cycle so why not start now. I want to do an all out bulk cycle not a lean bulk or bulk then cut or anything like that. Short esters are pretty much out of the question as I travel on the weekends to see my gf who goes to another college and I dont want to bring pins, vials with me. So that limits me to MWF ot MTh injects only. Cycles are sort of long but with cycle A, ive heard that EQ needs to be run at least 14 weeks to get full benefits. With cycle B I want to leave plenty of time for the deca to clear my system while Im still on the test. So here are the two options I am considering. Any suggestions, input, changes from guys with AAS experience/knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.:

Cycle A
Weeks 1-4 Drol 100mg ED
Weeks 1-16 Test E 750mg week
Weeks 1-15 EQ 600mg week
Weeks 13-16 or 14-18 Anvar 60mg ED

Cycle B
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Test E 750mg week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg week

Ancilaries: A-dex .5-1mg EOD as needed
HCG 250 IU 2X week starting 3rd week
with Cycle B caber at ???/week

PCT: Clomid and Nolva 2 weeks after last inject in either cycle

Oh and Im 21 5'10'' currently 200-205 12%bf. And I am also considering IGF w/ PCT for either cycle.

[Zomb131]

I like the look of cycle A, no caber needed so that's a plus. Var soul dbe good at 14-18 then pct from there.

Caber should start from week 1 IMO. It may not be needed from weeek 1-2 but why not, just in case.

[roccodart440]

Cosign with cycle A

I would run dbol instead of drol. Sides are near impossible to comtrol with drol and it always makes my BP skyrocket.

I'd up the test to a gram

I'd up the EQ to 800. With EQ 800 is the minium efective dose I have found.

Love the var and agree with Zomb on it's placement in the cycle. 40-60mg ED should do it but up to 100 is doable and will give no sides.

[BEEFCAKE77]

cycle A dbol no drol

[TRiddy05]

Thanks for the replies guys. Will most likely run cycle A with a few modifications. I will probably up the test but Im a bit concerned about upping the EQ, Ive heard people say that they experienced major anxiety from higher doses of EQ. Anybody have this? Also I would love to run more var but the shit is so expensive. Is it worth the extra dough to run 80-100mg vs 40-60mg? Also I was actually considering the drol because Ive heard some peolpe say that the sides werent as bad for them on drol, but Ive heard plenty of people say that they wont touch the shit with a ten foot pole. Are the problems mainly bp related, water retention, liver, anger? I loved dbol I just hated the debilitating back pumps. I found deadlifts damn near impossible. Thanks again.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by TRiddy05

Thanks for the replies guys. Will most likely run cycle A with a few modifications. I will probably up the test but Im a bit concerned about upping the EQ, Ive heard people say that they experienced major anxiety from higher doses of EQ. Anybody have this? Also I would love to run more var but the shit is so expensive. Is it worth the extra dough to run 80-100mg vs 40-60mg? Also I was actually considering the drol because Ive heard some peolpe say that the sides werent as bad for them on drol, but Ive heard plenty of people say that they wont touch the shit with a ten foot pole. Are the problems mainly bp related, water retention, liver, anger? I loved dbol I just hated the debilitating back pumps. I found deadlifts damn near impossible. Thanks again.

I've never heard of anyone getting anxiety from high doses of EQ. Sides vary from user to user bro, you have to see how you react to it.

I hear you on the Var bro, most UGL's are down or out and Var prices have skyrocketed. I would start off @ 60mg/day with var and slowly increase. I've heard of bros experiencing pumps so bad that it hurt to bend their arms from 100mg/ED with Var.

Drol and water retention are hand in hand. D-bol is the MUCH better choice. IF your dead stuck on Drol run a-dex with your cycle, .5mg EOD. But since you did try dbols why not go with Drol, just to see if you react well with them.

Zomb131

[TRiddy05]

Thanks for the response Zomb. Good advice. I think that I will go with the drol but will have dbol on hand in case the drol doesnt work out for me and will definetly have plenty of dex on hand. Thanks.

[roccodart440]

Great posts Zomb. Cosign them all.

I'd swap out adex for aromasin.