[soccer21]

ok, so don't get the impression that i'm some sort of health nut, but i am concerned with my health and fitness levels.

however, i've hit a plateau that i can't seem to bust right now. . .so i'm looking for an edge.

i only want to go on one or two cycles(that's what i say now, we'll see what happens though)

so i guess the point of this thread is to get opinions on what i should do, and what should i take afterwards to prevent losing the gains i made

i want to put on mass, but at the same time remain as athletic as possible(i play soccer)

any opinions would be greatly appreciated
please be mature

thank you

[TRiddy05]

Bro if you are 18, I would advise you not to do any cycle right now. Its not as bad an idea as if you were say 16, but I would strongly suggest that you wait till you are 21 or so. I dont know what your stats are but at 18 you are most likely not at your genetic potential and can probably break through your plataue with some changes to your training and diet. First how long have you been on your current training split? Personally I believe in changing it at least a couple of times a year. Your body gets used to a particular routine after about 2 months and your training can begin to plateau. Assuming that you are training correctly (you have a good mind muscle conection, you take sets to failure, etc.) then diet is probably the issue. For mass gaining you want to take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound and about 3 grams of carbs per pound. Carbs are great plataue breakers. Up your carbs and you will see it on the scale. Also whatever training you do for soccer is likely to be very catabolic. For a bodybuilder low intensity cardio is best. There are some who say that you shouldnt even do cardio if you are trying to gain mass although I am not of that opinion. Finally, if you decide to run a cycle anyway, a typical beginer cycle is 500mg/week of Test Enanthate for 10-12 weeks.
Weeks 1-12 Test E
Weeks 1-12 Arimidex .5 -1 mg ED
PCT Weeks 14-18
1 Clomid 100 Nolva 40 ED
2 Clomid 75 Nolva 40 ED
3 Clomid 50 Nolva 20 ED
4 Clomid 25 Nolva 20 ED
HCG 250IU 2X per week

Like I said you should not cycle yet but if you do I would run either a lot of arimidex or an average dose of letro throughout the cycle b/c high levels of estrogen cause fusing of growth plates, thus permanently leaving you at your current height. My advice is dont do it. Also if you want to be athletic, and soccer is your priority over bbing, realize that freaky big bodybuilders are not necessarily the picture of athleticism or impecible health. Good Luck

[lil_big_junior]

i doubt you hit plateu at 18 bro...keep natural & adjust your diet, supplements & training...

[Mygeeto]

you didnt hit plateu
in fact, your far from it.
eat more calories and train harder.
by creatine and use it.
you dont need steroids.

[soccer21]

Originally Posted by TRiddy05

Bro if you are 18, I would advise you not to do any cycle right now. Its not as bad an idea as if you were say 16, but I would strongly suggest that you wait till you are 21 or so. I dont know what your stats are but at 18 you are most likely not at your genetic potential and can probably break through your plataue with some changes to your training and diet. First how long have you been on your current training split? Personally I believe in changing it at least a couple of times a year. Your body gets used to a particular routine after about 2 months and your training can begin to plateau. Assuming that you are training correctly (you have a good mind muscle conection, you take sets to failure, etc.) then diet is probably the issue. For mass gaining you want to take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound and about 3 grams of carbs per pound. Carbs are great plataue breakers. Up your carbs and you will see it on the scale. Also whatever training you do for soccer is likely to be very catabolic. For a bodybuilder low intensity cardio is best. There are some who say that you shouldnt even do cardio if you are trying to gain mass although I am not of that opinion. Finally, if you decide to run a cycle anyway, a typical beginer cycle is 500mg/week of Test Enanthate for 10-12 weeks.
Weeks 1-12 Test E
Weeks 1-12 Arimidex .5 -1 mg ED
PCT Weeks 14-18
1 Clomid 100 Nolva 40 ED
2 Clomid 75 Nolva 40 ED
3 Clomid 50 Nolva 20 ED
4 Clomid 25 Nolva 20 ED
HCG 250IU 2X per week

Like I said you should not cycle yet but if you do I would run either a lot of arimidex or an average dose of letro throughout the cycle b/c high levels of estrogen cause fusing of growth plates, thus permanently leaving you at your current height. My advice is dont do it. Also if you want to be athletic, and soccer is your priority over bbing, realize that freaky big bodybuilders are not necessarily the picture of athleticism or impecible health. Good Luck

i've been working out for four years now, but three of those were just maitaining for soccer(and yes i know that my endurance training for soccer doesn't help me any--but i take a ton of glutamine to try and offset it)

i'm 18, 5'11", and i weight 180

i know quite a bit about training and such things, so i know exactly what you're talking about
diet is my problem--i'm in college, and sometimes i don't have time to eat a big meal

i have a very good mind/body connection, and i'm very good at listening to my body when i train

it's not that i'm not strong(i can bench 245 and squat 405), but i'm not real big. . .i don't want to become huge, as i have plans to try out for the Navy SEALs


and to the other posters, your age does not affect plateaus, that's why it's very important to switch up how you train every now and then

[Mygeeto]

im containing myself from completly flaming the living shit out of you and screaming my face off at your dip shit-ness.

have a nice day.

dont forget to die.

[Masko AA]

doing a cycle isnt gonna help you if your not eating right....your hitting a plataeu b/c your diet is fucked up plane and simple. oh and COSIGN with mygeeto

[soccer21]

whatever people

i can't stand people's attitudes on sites like this

i said be mature
my diet is not fucked up. . .i get what i need every day


and what do you mean by cosign with mygeeto

[rIPPDUP]

what's your diet like? breakdown of proteins, fats, and carbs? what's your training split like? are you allowing yourself recovery time? what supplements are you taking? there is so much more to getting big other than doing a cycle. and by the way...one cycle isn't going to do shit.

[lil_big_junior]

bro...bottom line is you need to make adjustments to your diet & up your calories to gain...trust me you haven't even come close to hitting a plateau, me of all ppl know's this as a fact...NO NEED FOR GEAR at 18, especially if you don't want to get too big as you said...

btw cosign means, strongly agree

[TRiddy05]

Im a bit confused here, perhaps I am the only one that sees it this way but to me plataues and genetic potential are two totally different things. Everyone that bodybuilds hit plataues, I do, 16 year olds do, Markus Ruhl, Branch Warren., 45 year olds all hit plataues. To me a plataue is when you are not getting stronger, your weight isnt going up, your not getting leaner, whatever, you are ceasing to move toward your goals. Generally speaking this means that you need to go back and reevaluate your training, diet, rest, supplements etc. It could be a sign that you have reached your genetic potential, but not necessarily. Your genetic potential is when you have put on as much muscle mass as your genetics will allow you to naturally. This is the reason that no matter how good your genetics or how perfect your diet and training are you will never look like Jay Cutler with out a boatload of pharmaceuticals in you. At 18 and with three years of training, it is unlikely that you have reached your genetic potential. That being said for some people, i do believe that 5'11" 180lbs could possibly your genetic potential. Particularly if you have a very light frame. Remember two people with the same height weight and bodyfat can look drastically different. Soccer you have to keep in mind that if your diet isnt right you are not going to gain anything but water weight from AAS. AAS creates a highly annabolic environment which helps you put on large amounts of muscle quickly provided your training and diet is in order. It does not put on LBM in and of itself. People misinterpret studies done on AIDS patients that say that AAS helps preserve LBM without exercise and believe that AAS will just make your muscles grow by themselves with out nutrients or stimulation. Try to tweak your diet. If you post your diet either in this thread or in the nutrition section I will be happy to try and help you with it as Im sure a lot of the other guys would. You dont have to eat big meals but you should try to get in six meals a day so your muscles have a steady supply of amino acids. Also amino acids before soccer will do more to prevent muscle catabolism than glutamine will. IMO glutamine is a waste. Good Luck