[mymoneyb]

I’m looking to do a 12/14 week cycle this summer

My daily diet:

6am: 8 egg whites with one yolk (for taste) Plain oatmeal w/raisins and Splenda, with a banana and a slice of (powerbutter™) toast.

8am: Strawberry (Myoplex™) proteins shake in spring water and a cup of fruit with some plain or vanilla yogurt

11am: 2 pre-cooked chicken breasts with green vegetables of my choice and brown rice in stir fry

1pm: An (Optimum Serious Mass) shake in spring water blended with two bananas

3pm: A can of tuna with some cottage cheese, chopped onion and pineapple

6pm: orange roughy, salmon, cod, or catfish with stir fry and baby cabbage or a 12oz lean tender-loin steak with brown rice and baked potato and some greens

9pm: 1 can of tuna with a little fat free mayo and chopped up onion and pickle

11pm: Slow digesting (Optimum Nutrition) proteins shake before I go to bed

If I need a snack it will be something like ¼ cup sunflower seeds or a small bowl of granola cereal with raisins and almonds in skim milk.

I will be drinking around 1.5 gallons of fluids a day, Such as electrolytes, vitamins and minerals in Propel and Gatorade, V8 juice, and other non-acidic juices as well as, bottled water.


10 week cycle
Week 1-14 Test Cyp 400 mg per week
Week 1-10 Deca Dura 200mg per week

I plan on front-loading only the Test Cyp @ 600mg and maintaining 400mg per wk


PCT
Clomid
HCG
Nolvadex or Anastrozole

My question is:

How many 10ml vials will I need of Test Cyp to finish out the last 4 weeks?
How many Clomid, Nolv or Anastrozole tabs will I need?
How many i.u.’s of HCG will I need for my age/weight/height?
(34yrs old – 215lbs – 5’6)

I have a HRT clinic supporting me with 200mg of both the Deca and Test Cyp per week but I would like to do a total of 400mg of Cyp and buy my own PCT since I feel I’m being raped at their costs for pins and PCT.

The cycle of 10 wks Test Cyp, Deca, Anastrozole, pins and needles are already on their way so I would like to order my remainder of Test Cyp and PCT a/s/a/p so I can have it all on hand when I start.

That way I know that I will not have to cut my cycle short due to front loading and running out before the 14th week and I’m somewhat lost as far as how many i.u.’s & Slin pins I will need to the HCG.

Thanks in advance!

[lil_big_junior]

looks good but HCG at 250 EW throughout cycle split into 2 pins...NOT PCT
clomid & nolva is all you'd need for PCT


also are you pinning the deca every 4 days then???

[mymoneyb]

The Deca and Test Cyp would be in sync every 4 days yes.

I was told by the HRT Clinic to not do HCG until after cycle due to HCG can permanently KILL all natural production of my original test if I take it for a long period of time (through out the cycle)

And this was coming from the doc to the HRT agent

So based on the doc's recomendation how many vials of HCG would I need?

As for the Clomid and Nolva, how many per day with my stats and gear dosages?

I'm looking for a total amount of vials for a 14 week cycle at 200 mg, since I have a 200 mg for 10 weeks coming.

[compulut]

Two schools of thought on HCG:

1) Small doses every few days throughout

2) Heavy doses, tapering down, after last ester is out of system.

The inhibition that your doctor is talking about, is if you dose too high during cycle. I'm curious, though, why a HRT clinic would even be discussing PCT. PCT is designed to assist the HPTA in getting back to normal and producing your own test. HRT is normally only recommended when your body is already not producing a normal amount of test, and is designed to be continuous (as in life-long) so it would not require PCT because you would never go off the test.

I'm with LBJ on this one, smaller, more frequent doses during, (to keep 'the boys' sized up) then no HCG post cycle, but use the other drugs.

[mymoneyb]

Originally Posted by compulut

Two schools of thought on HCG:

1) Small doses every few days throughout

2) Heavy doses, tapering down, after last ester is out of system.

The inhibition that your doctor is talking about, is if you dose too high during cycle. I'm curious, though, why a HRT clinic would even be discussing PCT. PCT is designed to assist the HPTA in getting back to normal and producing your own test. HRT is normally only recommended when your body is already not producing a normal amount of test, and is designed to be continuous (as in life-long) so it would not require PCT because you would never go off the test.

I'm with LBJ on this one, smaller, more frequent doses during, (to keep 'the boys' sized up) then no HCG post cycle, but use the other drugs.

I think they want to maintain my low natural amounts after each cycle. So what your saying is if I do 200 mg of Test per week and 200 mg of Deca per week would be better than 400 mg of Test and 200 mg of Deca?

[compulut]

Originally Posted by mymoneyb

I think they want to maintain my low natural amounts after each cycle. So what your saying is if I do 200 mg of Test per week and 200 mg of Deca per week would be better than 400 mg of Test and 200 mg of Deca?

NO!

I always try to run a 2:1 ratio of test to Deca in hopes of avoiding the dreaded deca dick.

I was speaking of lower amounts of HCG throughout, not the other compounds.

I just think that if your test levels are low enough to begin with, to warrant HRT, then they are - at best - going to be that low post cycle as well. If that is the case, you will need HRT after as well as before, so I'm not sure I understand the concept of PCT, in that case.

A lot of guys (over 35) run their cycles, then coast on HRT, then run their cycles again. The coast time, is to give the liver and kidneys a chance to flush, not to return to normal test production. If they're already on HRT, they will never return to normal test production.

[mymoneyb]

Well... I'm sure my natural Test levels are just fine.

I have "tinkered" with them before my tests and I'm sure they have bounced back nicely.

Noting a little milk thistle, tribulas, and LJ-100 can't fix

So for arguements sake, lets just say that we go with the 400 mg Test Cyp per wk and the 200 mg per wk Deca as well as, HCG and Clomid post cycle.

How many 1500 or 5000 i.u vials would I need to buy to get my boys back home safely and how many slin pins?

And how many Clomid should I have on hand to bring my natural Test back to where it was?

I'd hate to have to go through the clinic for the things I can get underground for much less, ya know.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by compulut

NO!

I always try to run a 2:1 ratio of test to Deca in hopes of avoiding the dreaded deca dick.

[Zomb131]

Originally Posted by mymoneyb

Well... I'm sure my natural Test levels are just fine.

I have "tinkered" with them before my tests and I'm sure they have bounced back nicely.

Noting a little milk thistle, tribulas, and LJ-100 can't fix

So for arguements sake, lets just say that we go with the 400 mg Test Cyp per wk and the 200 mg per wk Deca as well as, HCG and Clomid post cycle.

Bro, you NEED to run HCG durring your cycle. Why try and bring your balls back to size post cycle? When you can keep them nice and full durring and post cycle.

Also why are you running such low test?


How many 1500 or 5000 i.u vials would I need to buy to get my boys back home safely and how many slin pins?

250IU 2x /week. So that's 500IU per week. You figure it out what you need. We're not here to baby you. The life of HCG is 8 weeks, so if you still have some left over you gotta dump it after then.

And how many Clomid should I have on hand to bring my natural Test back to where it was?

Well, gee. If you run a 4 week pct...
Week 1 Clomid 100mg
Week 2 CLomid 50mg
week 3 Clomid 50mg
week 4 Clomid 50mg

Total that up and fiigure it out.


I'd hate to have to go through the clinic for the things I can get underground for much less, ya know.

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[lil_big_junior]

lol...enough said. great posts comp.

good luck with your cycle running man bro

[mymoneyb]

Originally Posted by Zomb131

Originally Posted by mymoneyb
Well... I'm sure my natural Test levels are just fine.

I have "tinkered" with them before my tests and I'm sure they have bounced back nicely.

Noting a little milk thistle, tribulas, and LJ-100 can't fix

So for arguements sake, lets just say that we go with the 400 mg Test Cyp per wk and the 200 mg per wk Deca as well as, HCG and Clomid post cycle.

Bro, you NEED to run HCG durring your cycle. Why try and bring your balls back to size post cycle? When you can keep them nice and full durring and post cycle.

Also why are you running such low test?


How many 1500 or 5000 i.u vials would I need to buy to get my boys back home safely and how many slin pins?

250IU 2x /week. So that's 500IU per week. You figure it out what you need. We're not here to baby you. The life of HCG is 8 weeks, so if you still have some left over you gotta dump it after then.

And how many Clomid should I have on hand to bring my natural Test back to where it was?

Well, gee. If you run a 4 week pct...
Week 1 Clomid 100mg
Week 2 CLomid 50mg
week 3 Clomid 50mg
week 4 Clomid 50mg

Total that up and fiigure it out.


I'd hate to have to go through the clinic for the things I can get underground for much less, ya know.

You listen here Zomb - I came to this site in need of info and not to hear war stories of this or that or to take someone’s recommendation to inject 1000 mg of any steroid into my body with out knowing my blood panel. I don't want to have you waste my time with B.S. about "what you think" if your not smart enough to help me out then keep your comments to yourself.

If the mods on this site have their head so far up their ass that they can't take someone’s question and give a logical answer to the question I can easily take my precious time somewhere else. Again, I’m not here for advice unless I have a risky idea and one would want to help steer me in a safe direction. Don’t get your comment blurred with that type of guidance.

If a guy asks for a grocery list of Clomid, HCG based on their cycle that they want to run and someone says "I'd take Masteron / EQ and do Nolva and screw the Clomid and do HCG through out the cycle to keep the nuts in check...."

WTF are they retarded? Quit wasting my time and help a brother out or move on to another thread!

If you think I should "figure something out myself" then don’t waste everyone’s time by posting anything. I'm here for a little help on a shopping list, maybe I'm not good with the math aspect.

If I took that attitude towards some knucklehead Mod who gave me a fucking worthless "recommendation" of what they prefer to run, rather than answer my question about a shopping list, I would be looked at as a fucking prick. What does that make you?

If you can't get excited for someone who is about to:

A) Legally do AAS and
B) Want to learn about the mathematical/science aspect then why are you even wasting your time as well as everyone else’s by making us read your useless crap?

You know what, don’t waste any more time of mine or anyone else’s with another knucklehead response. If you don’t have anything helpful to say to a thread, don’t post on it.