2nd cycle

slider88 · 05-16-2007, 08:36 PM

im thinking of doing a second cycle, my first was test e, nandrolone, d-bol. im thinking of taking sus this time along wid deca and d-bol to start things off. wat do u think.

**lil_big_junior** · 05-16-2007, 09:01 PM

IMO...sus will be all u need. for me its the best & unique blend of tests ive ever used. & its the best form of juice personally...I LOVE SUS.

use the d-bol to kickstart the cycle & leave the deca alone, unless u want a limp ****...

run the sus at 500-1000mg for 9-12 weeks EW, & start cycle with dbol at 25-50mg ED

**Kaboom** · 05-16-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

IMO...sus will be all u need. for me its the best & unique blend of tests ive ever used. & its the best form of juice personally...I LOVE SUS.

use the d-bol to kickstart the cycle & leave the deca alone, unless u want a limp ****...

run the sus at 500-1000mg for 9-12 weeks EW, & start cycle with dbol at 25-50mg ED

i agree 100%

**roccodart440** · 05-17-2007, 09:34 AM

Agree with LBJ. Make sure you have aromain on hand for bloat and gyno.

slider88 · 05-17-2007, 06:29 PM

im gonna be doing 50mg dbol, 500mg of test e, and 400mg of deca. ive changed my mind on sus because this might be bull**** but because sus is four different types of test it is absorbed less well to just one type of test. thanks for ur comments

**Zomb131** · 05-17-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by slider88

im gonna be doing 50mg dbol, 500mg of test e, and 400mg of deca. ive changed my mind on sus because this might be bull**** but because sus is four different types of test it is absorbed less well to just one type of test. thanks for ur comments

I have a feeling rocco and LBJ will correct me on this but...

You should always run test/deca at a 2:1 ratio to prevent deca problems. SO maybe drop the deca to 250mg-300mg.

slider88 · 05-17-2007, 06:41 PM

what kind of problems

**Zomb131** · 05-17-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by slider88

what kind of problems

Deca ****. Some people are effected by it, and some aren't.

**lil_big_junior** · 05-17-2007, 08:53 PM

deca will kill your libido...especially at that dose.

2:1 ratio on any stack with deca

my suggestion if u choose to use deca 500mg test & 200mg deca will be fine

IMO if a person paid me to take deca i wouldnt pop it anymore...
u cant beat test or sus for size

**Zomb131** · 05-17-2007, 10:00 PM

EQ would probly be better.

**lil_big_junior** · 05-17-2007, 10:23 PM

COSIGN^^^+1 zombi, i was gona say earlier...

stack with EQ at 400-600mg instead of deca...to add a quality, & dense look

**Zomb131** · 05-18-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

COSIGN^^^+1 zombi, i was gona say earlier...

stack with EQ at 400-600mg instead of deca...to add a quality, & dense look

Remember to run EQ for at least 12 weeks to see anything from it. EQ needs to be ran for long cycles.

**roccodart440** · 05-18-2007, 09:53 AM

EQ needs to be run in higher doses 800mg is more ideal.

ALot of the deca **** issues are prolatin based.

sust is not less absorbed than test E. That is completly untrue.

slider88 · 05-18-2007, 04:51 PM

kl thanks ppl ill speak to my "mate" ill probably start my second cycle sometime during the summer july - august. last time i took deca i had no such problems but i was only takin 200mg.

slider88 · 05-18-2007, 04:59 PM

is there any specific time during the day when i should do my injections i.e. post workout, in the mornings, at night.

compulut · 05-18-2007, 10:31 PM

Injection times, with AAS that are disolved in oils are irrelevant - IMO. Best time on those substances is right after you shower. You're cleanest at that time & the heat & steam may decrease the liklihood of suffering any injection pain.

As for the deca ****, if you suffered no problems last time around, what were your proportions of test to deca? I think the 2:1 ratio is a good idea. I've read that quantities of Deca (nandraolone) as little as 100mg/week (which is next to nothing) will destroy libido when run alone.

If your prior usage was 2:1 test to deca, this is why you suffered no problems. If your ratio was different than that, then you must be one of the people that are not suseptible (that can't be spelled right) - although I didn't know that there was such a thing.

And, of course, Rocco is right about the sust test issue. The confusion must lie in the rate of absorption, not in total absorption itself. Sust is testosterone that is disolved in 4 different esters, with 4 different absorption rates. With UG labs making all kinds of fancy custom blends, there are all sorts of combinations. Originally, Sustanon 250 was composed of:

30mg Test Propionate
60mg Test Phenyl Propionate
60mg Test Isocaproate
100mg Test Decanoate

Totaling 250mg/ml

The theory is, that the Propianate ester provides a quick acting, short lasting elevation in blood serum testosterone levels, evident on the day of injection, peaking the day after, and completely dissipating by day 5.

The next two esters, take a day to have any affect, peak on day 5 (coincidentally, the same day that the prop has left the system) and completely dissipate by day 16. I'm not sure why there are 2 different esters for this, as I can see no difference between the two, other than their names.

The last ester, decanoate also appears to enter the blood stream on day 2, but (since it is a much slower absorbed ester) does not peak until day 9 and doesn't leave the system until day 24 (over 3 weeks after initial injection).

The distillation is, if you truly have 100mg of testosterone (or 200 or 500 or whatever) it should all be absorbed and available. The ester, however, determines the amount of time it takes that amount of testosterone to be released into the bloodstream.

Wait a minute. What was the question?