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Old 04-25-2007, 05:04 AM   #1
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When using enanthate there is a risk of gyno. I know there are drugs like nolvadex and clomid which act as anti-estrogens to prevent this. I know it depends on the user but has anyone else had these gyno effects happen on them and what you did, felt about it. It also says to use HCG to restore your natural test levels after or during the cycle because it can actually shut down your own natural test levels.
Are the gyno affects high in most people or moderate on a 200-300mg cycle once a week? Are the enti-estrogens expensive? dude there are loads of questions!?!??!

Also, i cant find alot about averbol on the net so could someone tell me about that? Dosage and side effects.
I know its a liquid form of d-bol
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Old 04-25-2007, 06:44 AM   #2
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test enanthate i didnt find any probs with gyno or roid dick, but novaldex is more than enough to prevent gyno...hcg isn't really a neccessaty if you're only doing a simple 200-300mg a week for 12 weeks...etc, but most prefer to take something like hcg at a dosage of 1000iu a week for pct...but i was even told by rocco that this was too much, i value his opinion, in sticking to 250 a pop for 2 days in that week...

injectable dianabol is a wicked AAS...great for promoting serious mass, size, strength, hardness & density, +1 on keeping gains more than the oral version & is obviously more potent than orals...but the only problem is popping once a day or every other day to gain full effects as it has a very short halflife...
25mg a day or 50-75mg every other day, averbol is by far better than the orals on side effects but most dont like the idea of pining\popping themselves too frequent...especially if u are running a stack with another injectable, cos it becomes a bitch when u run out of injecting sites...LOL...
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:22 AM   #3
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cheers for that mate. Can you run averbol on its own? What are the actual side effects of it? Sorry for all the questions, like i said im new to this steroid stuff
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:32 AM   #4
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averbol i found really good with side effects, so its just your usual sides that u expect to see as with most AAS...mate when i say u feel good on this, u feel fawkin fantastic...wicked sence of well being + u eat like a bitch on this...i was easily packin away 10000cals a days on this, i experienced no bad sides on it, just a bitch having to pop everyday thats all really...
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:30 AM   #5
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Nolvadex and clomid are SERMS and as far as gyno prevention nolvadex is far superior to clomid. Keep in mind they do close to nothing for bloat. They aren't an anti estrogen in the way most people think they are. YOu can take all the nolvadex you want and still have a high estrogen level in your blood. YOu see what I mean now? Your best bet is to run an aromatase inhibitor, srecifically aromasin. It will controll your bloat and prevent the gyno.

I had pueberty gyno and cyc;les can flare it up but an aromatase inhibitor or nolvadex prevent it.

HCG is for use during the cycle. Use it from week 2-3 al the way through the end of your cycle. DO not use it during PCT. It is supressive to your own production of LH and FSH. In other words your nuts will be working but your brain won't. 250iu 1-2x per week the whole cycle is the medically recomended protocol and it works great.

Lets talk about doses. 250mg EW puts you at about 1000-1300 test level. Normal range is 400-1080. CLearly showing 300mg to be the minimum to cycle test by itself and 500 being much more appropriate unless you run cypionate in which case 400 would suffice for a beginners dse. But that's another conversation in itself.

Anti-E's are cheap and available LLEGALLY from research companies. We can post research companies on this board, which IMO is the most rediculous thing ever but none the less those are the rules. Email me at roccodart44@cyber-rights.net for AE sources.

Liquid dbol rocks but isn't worth it for a test E cycle. You have to inject ED. Get oral dbol. But if it's your 1st cycle i'd save the dbol for the last 3-4 weeks of your cycle. Don't jumpstart with it. Assess how the test E effects you. Very important you know this. Dbol is 25-50mg ED.

TEst will improve your sexual function.

LBJ has a good point. The injectable should yield higher results than the oral version and be alittle less hard on the body. NOt to mention the slower dissapation rate effectively increasing it's active life in the body .I don't agree that the gains are more lasting. Gains can be kept off any AAS just as easily as another. People mistake water loss for loss of gains.

WHat you could do is buy some oral and lq dbol and inj the dbol on mon and thur with your test and then run the oral dbol on the other days. IF you feel like you would mind another inj just take the inj and don't take the oral that day.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:05 AM   #6
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rocco knows too much about gear...lol^^^if i ever go back on gear i'll know who to turn to, for advice
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:41 AM   #7
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Holy shit. Cheeers for the info guys.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:56 AM   #8
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so you can run lq dbol with test e but your sayin do it near the end of the cycle?
I know im a dumb arse lol
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so you can run lq dbol with test e but your sayin do it near the end of the cycle?
I know im a dumb arse lol
right. Ru the test E for ten weeks. run the dbol weeks 9-12 and then start your PCT.
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:33 AM   #10
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lol ok cool, one more thing.........hahahaha wot is the PCT? oi im new to this steroid business so be patient, very patient.
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post cycle therapy...
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