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Old 04-19-2007, 12:21 PM   #1
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greetings all, this is my first post here. i was able to gain 20 lbs. naturally over two years until i got "stuck" and wasn't making progress. after talking to some buddies from the gym i started my first cycle.

2cc of Test E a week for 8-10 weeks. I already have my PCT ready to go. however - i'm still in week one. i took my first injection sunday night, monday i felt fine. but the past three days i've had to call out of work sick because i can barely walk. i injected in my right quad.

everyone from the gym is telling me this is normal for a first-timer to experience a lot of pain as the depot disperses. my question is: how long is this going to last? should i just inject 1cc twice a week instead of a huge injection? will the second injection hurt my leg as bad as the first has?

one of my co-workers is worried because i told her i "pulled a muscle doing lunges"; and now she wants to take me to the doctor. i've been taking painkillers non-stop and nothing has changed over the past three days.

also, the guy who sold me this stuff supervised as i did the injection, so i didn't do it too fast. when i finished he injected himself with the same stuff (different needle of course). it's completely legit gear because everyone from the gym goes through him... has for a few years.

so - any advice for a first timer would be greatly appreciated. i tried to educate myself as best i could before i started.

thanks guys.
 
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:31 PM   #2
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pin on monday thursday...it will also keep blood levels more stable. what is the concenttration of your gear?
 
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:33 PM   #3
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firstly welcome to the dungeon...let us know the manufacturer aswell as the concentration
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:37 PM   #4
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taken from Big Jay at IPOP

1) Site Choice

glutes, quads, and delts seem to be the most painless sites listed in order of preference. Chest is not too bad. Triceps are decent providing you do not put too much into them. Biceps, Traps, Lats, and Calves in my experience are VERY painful spots to inject. Calves being the worst. Most can get a decent rotation with just Quads, Glutes, Delts, and maybe one other site if needed.

2) Volume

This is highly subjective but as a general rule of thumb:

Quads-Glutes: 3ml and sometimes over
Delts: 2-3ml depending on how big you are
Lats: 2-3ml
Chest: 2-3ml
Tris-Bis: I would not put more than 2ml in these sites.
Traps: I would not put more than 2ml here as well.
Calves: 1.5ml-2ml (*Warning* this is an EXTREMELY painful injection for most)

3) Gear

Certain gear hurts more than others.

Painful Gear:
High Concentration tests (T400, Sust)
High Concentration trens
Test Prop (if made improperly or from other manufacturers)
Bold prop, acetate
Water Based Winny or Test Suspension

Can be painful:
Masternon
Tren A

Usually painless:
EQ
Deca
Most regular dose tests

These are the most commonly used gears. I didn't list some like Primo and similar. Alot of the pain depends on what the gear is based in. Ethyl Oleate often makes gear much less painful even in higher than normal concentrations. For example, i have tried 200mg/ml Prop in EO and had no more pain then a regular 100mg/ml injection. If you are using an UG lab that works with Ethyl Oleate the pain is usually MUCH less. The only human grade gear made with EO that i know of is Viromone Propionate.

4) Cutting Painful Gear

I hear alot of ppl talk about cutting painful gear with something painless like EQ or Deca. Well, i had tried it many times with no luck. always wondered why. A very simple and overlooked method takes care of this.

First off i hear of many ppl using a heating pad or hot water bath for their gear. They would take their gear bottles, heat them up, draw and stick. They overlooked one thing...to cut painful gear with painless the two must MIX. Case in point...i recently brewed up some 400mg/ml Test E/Cyp combo. I was sticking 1ml of this three times per week. Even cut with 1ml of EQ it still hurt like hell. then i noticed something...i could see the difference in the thickness of the two oils. The EQ would stay seperate from the Test.

The solution: heat the two gears TOGETHER INSIDE THE SYRINGE.

Take a simple heating pad. Draw your gears into the syringe. remove the drawing needle and replace with the sticking needle WITH THE CAP ON (duhhhh!).

This is VERY IMPORTANT:

Draw air into the syringe. If not, when you heat the syringle the pressure will expand forcing oil out of the needle, making a mess and wasting gear. Wrap the syringe in the blanket place on "high". On the needle end place a book or something under that end of the blanket roll so the needle end is pointed up on an incline. This will also prevent leaking. Let it heat for a bit. Remove the syringe. give it a quick shake, remove the cap, purge the air, swab and stick.

Hope this helps.
 
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:58 PM   #5
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thanks for the help so far. my gear is made by Pro Labs, i'm unsure of the concentration. i will try to find that out.
 
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:13 PM   #6
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quote me if im wrong but i didnt even know prolabs make gear...are u sure its pro labs??? i know they make supps like n-large but didnt know they made gear
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:38 PM   #7
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you're thinking of Pro Labs that makes supplements, but there's another Pro Labs - a pharmecuetical company that supplies to hospitals and pharmacys.
 
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:47 PM   #8
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i know that bro...supps i know bout, but gear u got me on...im not new to juicing so i do know a great deal bout them...is just that ive never heard of a pro labs making to AAS

send some pics of it if u can...
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:06 PM   #9
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BAd gear most likely. SOunds like too much BA
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:09 PM   #10
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^^^thats most prolly why i havent seen or heard of them...just tried doing a net search but never found nothing on pro labs, apart from supps by them...
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Old 04-19-2007, 03:03 PM   #11
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Sounds like you are just not use to the pain since it is your first cycle. Make sure you go do a search about areas to inject. Add a warm compress and massage as well. Do as often as is needed. MAke sure you aren't useing too large of a pin either.
 
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