[Zomb131]

How long do you think a AAS user would have to wait to use Tren? Like how many cycles in? I don't plan on using Tren anytime soon, maybe in a year or two, but i'm just wondering what you guys think.

[magnumfreak]

3rd or 4th should be fine. start with tren a in case you have problems with it you can come off fast. Tren e takes weeks to clear out. Some people have very few sides on tren including myself. I usually only get night sweats once or twice during the cycle and insomnia once or twice. Other than that all I notice is cardio is tougher because I am winded alot more on tren.

[lil_big_junior]

i done tren after my 5th cycle...i didnt see any harsh side on it, but i can also say that u feel winded alot. walkin up some stairs is terrible on tren...

all i use is tren ace

[billy d]

yea, i get the nights sweats andf slight insomnia, but i cant pinpoint the tren for the insomnia. cause its been a semi-issue of mine way before i started using gear.

i also only use tren ace. i never thought of using tren e, but wanna do some reading about it first, cause i really dont know anything about it.

[lil_big_junior]

although parabolan is one of arnies favs when he was on gear for quick quality mass, i wouldnt use tren e, or any other than ace on that fact...tren ace is prolly the better choice out the three

[billy d]

its weird at this point, i dont venture out past what i know and use already. I will always read about it, just to be knowlegable and know what it is, but i stay right in my own lil comfort zone. which is really just 6-8 week cycles of cyp/prop and tren here and there. my focus stays on diet and training. some people rely way to much on the gear.

[lil_big_junior]

its good u only do small cycles bro.

the first i ever done was a 20week on sus250 alone

week 1 2000mg
weeks 2-4 1000mg
weeks 5-12 1000mg every other week
weeks 13-20 500mg every other week

it was fuckin nutz, but i gained over 30lbs, but i looked terrible, n bloated. lol. after that i just stuck to 8 week cycles, i prefer the blitz to anything else...

[billy d]

LOL, trust me i know all about that lol. i'm guilty of abuse at an early age. but i was a uneducated and highly misinformed.

i did the same thing, my face looked like basketball...i swelled up to 250, and i swear 50 pounds of it was water lol.

[lil_big_junior]

yea i hit 286lbs after that first cycle, 6 weeks later i was 265lbs. lol its a bitch isn't it

[billy d]

yea with these smaller cycles, and just the self study of what my body responds to nutrionally, i never really lose gains now..but back then it was depressing lol