Cycle and post cycle therapy advise

jimjames · 03-09-2007, 04:36 PM

I am planning on hitting the following cycle...

wk 1-4 40mg dbol/day
wk 1-14 400mg deca/wk
wk 1-17 750mg test e/wk

post cycle therapy - this is where I need the most help...

Toremifene - 120 first 4 days, then to 90 for 3, 60 for 2 weeks, and 30 for one
Letro - .25mgs/day
DEHA - 200mgs/day

Quick stats - 37yrs old, 6ft, 230, 20%bf (I know I should be a bit lower, but I plan on bulking hard the rest of this year then running a cutter next spring) This will be my 3rd cycle.

I have the Letro because a friend gave it to me and based on my research I thought I could use it like so.

**Zomb131** · 03-11-2007, 06:16 AM

Watch out for that Letro man. I used it .5mg ED for about 2 weeks and it KILLED my libido. I've been off for a few weeks and it's still fucked up.

**roccodart440** · 03-12-2007, 08:35 AM

Agree do not take letro on cycle or while in PCT. Take aromasin if you really want to include an AI.

WHat is Toremifene? DO you mean CLomifene as in clomid?

Last do not take DHEA in PCT it in itdelf is supressive to the HPTA.

Ziricote · 03-12-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by roccodart440

WHat is Toremifene? DO you mean CLomifene as in clomid?

It's a SERM http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treat...ies/Toremifene

**roccodart440** · 03-12-2007, 11:09 AM

I trust clomid. IT's the number one PCT drug and it's used medically for the pupose we seek to use it for. NOt saying Toremifene won't work but clomid defninitly will.

jimjames · 03-12-2007, 11:40 AM

I was hoping to at least use the Letro... I have it and need to get rid of it. I would hate to just trow it out.

roccodart440, how would you set up pct on this cycle?

**roccodart440** · 03-12-2007, 01:11 PM

1st offf drop the idea of letro oin PCT. If you wanted to use a VERY low dose while on for bloat control i guess it would ben ok but NOT IN PCT.

HOw would I dsetup your PCT? start clomid 10mg ED and bnolvadex 20mg until moring erections return. Drop to 50mg clomid 20mg nolva for 2 more weeks. Then drop to 25mg clomid 10mg nolva for a wek and then the same EOD for a week. At that point you could go on longer but most could stop at that point.

**Zomb131** · 03-12-2007, 03:37 PM

rocco,

What is the best time to take the Clomid and Nolva? Before bed/right in the morning?

**Zomb131** · 03-12-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjames

I was hoping to at least use the Letro... I have it and need to get rid of it. I would hate to just trow it out.

roccodart440, how would you set up pct on this cycle?

Just pour it out man, as I did. Letro has BAD sides for men if you want to google it. Some are: Lower/Loss libido, Erectile disfunction, memory loss, feeling lazy/lathargic.

Addicted2Liftin · 03-12-2007, 03:54 PM

I would run 100mg clomid for a week beginning 2 weeks after last test injection. I would follow up with 2 additional weeks at 50mg ed and extend this accordingly...similar to what roccodart said,

-A2L

**roccodart440** · 03-13-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Addicted2Liftin

I would run 100mg clomid for a week beginning 2 weeks after last test injection. I would follow up with 2 additional weeks at 50mg ed and extend this accordingly...similar to what roccodart said,

-A2L

If you extend it's not a bad idea to taper.

Rep power for you addicted. I like your posts.

jimjames · 03-13-2007, 01:35 PM

I have read and been advised not to use nolva with deca... I don't have the why not's but do you think I would be okay using a clomid/toremifene pct? I may just do that and see how that works out.

**roccodart440** · 03-13-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjames

I have read and been advised not to use nolva with deca... I don't have the why not's but do you think I would be okay using a clomid/toremifene pct? I may just do that and see how that works out.

Correct you should not use nolva while on deca. It is ok in PCT but better yet drop it in leu of clomid only. YOu could add cabergoline to your PCT but it would be better if you were using it while on for prolatin problmes .