[Buffman]

Hi Guys,

Im new here and was looking at getting some advice. Im thinking of going on a cycle since it my first i am looking at going on Deca-Durabolin & Sustanon. This was advised by my gym owner with is a long term bodybuilder who knows his stuff but all ways good to see what other people think.

My cycle will last 6 weeks taking 2ml Deca and 1ml SUS once a week.

Now can anyone tell me if this would be a good starting point? is there any need for pre/post therapy?

Many thanks

Luke

[magnumfreak]

personally, I would just do the sustanon (or even just test e) by itself. This will give you a chance to see how your body reacts to 1 compound instead of multiple compounds. 6 weeks is too short in my opinion also. the long acting esters in the sustanon will barely be kicking in by that time. 10-12 weeks is much better.

Yes, you should always do a post cycle therapy unless you just want to lose most of what you gained.

[Buffman]

Can you give me an idea of a good post cycle therapy if i was to use sustanon or test E.

thanks

Luke

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by magnumfreak

personally, I would just do the sustanon (or even just test e) by itself. This will give you a chance to see how your body reacts to 1 compound instead of multiple compounds. 6 weeks is too short in my opinion also. the long acting esters in the sustanon will barely be kicking in by that time. 10-12 weeks is much better.

Yes, you should always do a post cycle therapy unless you just want to lose most of what you gained.
Or regree to a point that is less than where you were at when you started your cycle.

Great post, dead on. It is beyond me why every newbie here wants to do Deca/Test for their 21st cycle and even more beyond me is how a gym owner could in clear conscionce recomend something like this.

[Buffman]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

Great post, dead on. It is beyond me why every newbie here wants to do Deca/Test for their 21st cycle and even more beyond me is how a gym owner could in clear conscionce recomend something like this.

That why im on here to get as much advise as possible there is only some much reading you can do on the cemicals thems selfs, i find it much better getting information for people like yourself roccodart440 & magnumfreak.

So what would you suggest i do roccodart440? where should i start?

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by Buffman

That why im on here to get as much advise as possible there is only some much reading you can do on the cemicals thems selfs, i find it much better getting information for people like yourself roccodart440 & magnumfreak.

So what would you suggest i do roccodart440? where should i start?

Simple

Test, Enanthate or Cypionate, 500mg EW for 10 weeks.

1-10 test E 500mg EW
2-11 HCG 250iu 2x EW
11-12 prop 150mg EOD
13 and beyond PCT

comid/nolva combo for PCT

aromasin while on cycle for bloat 12.5-25mg ED

[f18jock]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

Simple

Test, Enanthate or Cypionate, 500mg EW for 10 weeks.

1-10 test E 500mg EW
2-11 HCG 250iu 2x EW
11-12 prop 150mg EOD
13 and beyond PCT

comid/nolva combo for PCT

aromasin while on cycle for bloat 12.5-25mg ED

Just curious, why the prop for the last two weeks?

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by f18jock

Just curious, why the prop for the last two weeks?

WHy not? THink about it. Noramlly if you didn't add that what are your doing for those two weeks? NOthing! Your waiting as your test levels drop to zero so you can start PCT. All the while feeling a decline in stength and overall wellness.

With prop you go strong right to the bitter end and get 2 more weeks to train and grow at top condition.

It almost doesn't make sense to not do it that way.

[The Iron Bull]

Thats a good cycle Rocco....
But personally, i would and TesP to the beginning also.

Also, why "2-11 HCG 250iu 2x EW"??

What will this accomplish?
It not going to kick start the nuts, if anything, it will cause them to shut down more???

[The Iron Bull]

Also why clomid and Nolva........
they are the same, except Nolva is stronger.

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by The Iron Bull

Thats a good cycle Rocco....
But personally, i would and TesP to the beginning also.

Also, why "2-11 HCG 250iu 2x EW"??

What will this accomplish?
It not going to kick start the nuts, if anything, it will cause them to shut down more???

HCG keeps the nuts from atgtrophying. On 500mg test he's shut down. the hcg will not shut the pituitary down any more significantrly but it will keep the nuts in good health and ready to go when PCT begins so in PCT you only have to recover half of the HPTA system.

Dr. Swale, a TRT and atheltic specoialist recomends this therapy and i've used it myself. It works and it works well.

Prop in the beginning is ok but I like to ease people into what test wil do to them the 1st time. If it were his 2nd cycle i'd encourage it.

nolva is not stronger than clomid. There is a reason clomid is used medically to treat hypogonadic and infertasle men. Nolva isn't. Nolvadex is in there as added support and a buffer angainst and estro sides that may occur due to fluxuations in PCT.

[motiv8er]

For long esters, unless you are ALRI; 10 weeks is the dead minimum.