ill ask this again...

12-08-2006, 08:50 PM

Obviously a lot of you guys took my last question the wrong way-

Do all the pros really take steroids?

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Ok i need to know this-do all the pros take steroids, all the real top guys i mean?

guys like kevin levrone, jay cutler, arnold, flex wheeler, shawn ray, dorian and others- does anybody have any real true facts of the guys taking steroids?

I dont plan on taking steroids nor have i ever thought to! All i want to know are the pros that take steroids and facts that they do. Also i would like to know if there are any pros out there who have won major competions like the Olympia for example without the use of steroids and all natural.

Now i'm asking this question seriously and hope to get serious answers back. If you want to be a smartass just leave! I was blessed with very good genetics in my opinion, gain muscle fairly easily, and one of the rippest kids in my school. I plan to go pro by the age of 23 if not then, 25. I look highly apon the pros and hope to be Mr. Olympia one day, but i need to know if this is a realistic goal because if all the pros are taking steroids then obviously it isn't because i dont plan to.

So somebody please answer back in all seriousness with straight up answers!

-what pros take steroids
-facts that they do
-any Mr. Olympias that were all natural.

Thanks!

tjbentham · 12-08-2006, 09:06 PM

the harsh reality is that all the ifbb pros juice, and not just the top pros

**Freak** · 12-08-2006, 09:13 PM

Post your pics. You should probably decide if you wanna try to be Mr. O (IFBB) or compete in the natural organizations. Since you are referring to the IFBBs yes they all used. No we don't have a scan of their prescriptions but if you read at the link below and listen to some of the weekly radio interviews (try the one with John Romano) and you will get fairly straight forward inferences. If you don't believe from just looking at them I guess I don't know what else to tell you.

What pros: All IFBBs

Facts: ? What would suffice as a fact for ya (their actual prescriptions)? Hell watch the first Ronnie video and he says when he started all he knew about bodybuilding is they have strict diets and take steroids.

Any Olympias all natural: Not that I know of but maybe some guys in its inception. Do not imply that someone who one in the 60s or something if they did it naturally you can in 2000s. All I can say is good luck getting your IFBB pro card natural.

Decide what your goals are and go from there. Good luck.

**Freak** · 12-08-2006, 09:14 PM

Sorry, here are the links.

Bodybuilding.com Writer: IFBB Undercover - Learn The Truth About The Bodybuilding Underground!

Bodybuilding.com - Bodybuilding.com Radio - Show #17: Guest: John Romano - 10/17/05.

**mindstar** · 12-08-2006, 09:35 PM

i thought I answered the question seriously the first time. they take more than just steroids my friend...As steroids are illegal, I doubt you're going to have many pros willing to tell you their exact cycles, lest they incur the wrath of the prosecution happy authorities in the US.

If you want to stay natural, then that's cool, check out Layne's natural forum for tips and show rankings...there are plenty of pics in there of the world's best Natty pros, and while they look amazing they wouldn't be allowed on the stage in the modern IFBB Olympia...whatever your opinion of that fact (I feel it's a shame) it doens't change the current state of pro bodybuilding. Equally unfortunately, what little money there is in BBing, seems to be dedicated to the IFBB pros. It's why supplement companies hire them to convince you that it's really only cell-tech that's making them so big and not the 'slin, gh, and 2 grams of gear a week.

Good luck with your goals, and whatever decisions you have ahead of you.

12-08-2006, 10:42 PM

hey thanks guys fort the replys, as for which pros i said in my first post-guys like kevin levrone, jay cutler, arnold, flex wheeler, shawn ray, dorian

does anyone know if arnold took it?

**Freak** · 12-08-2006, 10:44 PM

Yes Arnold did and so did all of the others that you listed.

Knuckles · 12-09-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thefreak350

Yes Arnold did and so did all of the others that you listed.

Freak is right, and he's actually very open about his use of steroids. And even columbo had bad gyno from his use of steroids late in his career. Drugs were used just as much back then, just not to the degree they are today. Even with good genetics, drugs are necessary to be an ifbb pro. Look at the natural pros versus unnatural and you see the difference, its huge(especially talking about the top level pros). The amount of mass at such low bf is only attainable with drugs, drugs, and more drugs.

front_row · 12-10-2006, 02:10 PM

It was from Arnie's era that we got the mistaken idea that we front-load or pyramid during cycles. Did every pro even back then juice? Well, the one guy people might think DIDN'T juice and was still a top guy might be Frank Zane, but even he clearly did - his nickname was 'The Chemist'. I don't think that was for his nutritional knowledge.

Have a look at the natural forum, and try to see just how freakishly large you can get naturally anyway.

Then find some of the IFBB pros' stats. Not only are they creeping pretty close to 300 lbs, (ever even met someone close to 250 without a huge gut???) but they are all under six feet tall. Coleman was in the TALL class at most of his early pro competitions, and he's 5'10".

**roccodart440** · 12-11-2006, 08:42 AM

THis is amazing that this question came up again. It is a retarded question. Yes they all take juice and other things all in doses that would scare or kill some people.

dog1dog2 · 12-11-2006, 10:21 AM

1.) All (as in every single one) of the top pros are juiced out of their minds, along with the use of other illegal supplements/drugs.

2.) All past Olympia champions (as in every single one) juiced. Many of those in the distant past (Arnold, Franco, etc.) took the drugs legally (most outlawed in the 1990's), and in less complex stacks/cycles...but steroid use nevertheless.

3.) You will not, I repeat, WILL NOT ever be able to compete in any way shape or form with the IFBB Pros without HEAVY involvement in the use of anabolic steroids, etc. (unless there is massive, unforseen reform between now and your 25th birthday).

**roccodart440** · 12-11-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dog1dog2

1.) All (as in every single one) of the top pros are juiced out of their minds, along with the use of other illegal supplements/drugs.

2.) All past Olympia champions (as in every single one) juiced. Many of those in the distant past (Arnold, Franco, etc.) took the drugs legally (most outlawed in the 1990's), and in less complex stacks/cycles...but steroid use nevertheless.

3.) You will not, I repeat, WILL NOT ever be able to compete in any way shape or form with the IFBB Pros without HEAVY involvement in the use of anabolic steroids, etc. (unless there is massive, unforseen reform between now and your 25th birthday).

Clear enough for you Joey?

front_row · 12-11-2006, 07:55 PM

Joey.

DO NOT think that juicing is the only way to get big, however. Check out the stats of these guys offseason from their own websites. Ronnie is tall at 5'10". Many of the top IFBB pros are 5'5" to 5'8". THINK OF HOW THAT AFFECTS THE PHOTOS OF THEM. Then have a look at the natural guys' stats offseason. They might look small in photos compared to the IFBB guys, but 5'10" 240 lbs with a borderline 6-pack is a monster in most non- bb'ing circles, hell, even most amateur bb'ing circles with or without juice.