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Old 12-07-2006, 05:42 AM   #1
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Alright so what do you guys think about this cycle, remember that its my first, and that I am trying to be as safe as possible and see how my body is going to react to doses and different types of gear. I am doing this simply because I want to know what its like, it's my body and it's my choice. I feel as though gear, if done properly, and supervised is completely safe.

Currently 5'10 208 lbs 10% bodyfat. bests at this bodyweight - 355 benchpress, 405 X 8 Parallel Squats, 525 single sumo deadlift. All completely raw, except a belt on squat/dead. I have been training off and on for the past 6 years, but only with a decent knowledge of diet for the past 2 years. I am going to eat a clean 4000-4500 cals daily while I'm on and then bump it up to 5k+ during PCT. Protein will be aound 1.5-2grams per pound of bodyweight. This is just going to be a clean bulk, and like I said just to see what its like. The only possible downside to any of this is my age, but anyways here it is :

Supps - (pretty much year round, but Im adding in a few extra for the cycle) Daily Doses of Milk Thistle, Vitamin E, Hawthorne Berry, Saw Pallmetto, flax seed oil, Liv - 52, and Creatine.

Cycle - Weeks 1-10 500mg's a week Sustanon 250, 250mg's Injected Monday morning and 250 mg's thursday evening. (I know some people don't like sust but I'm going to give it a shot, I got a good deal on it)
Weeks 1-8 Deca Durabolin 250mg's EW injected Monday morning (every 7 days). Could also do 10 weeks at 200mg's a week, would like opinions on this. I kind of wanted to drop the deca before I finished the test.
Weeks 1-10 .25ml Letrozole EOD
Weeks 9-13/14 Tamoxifen Citrate (((Weeks 9-13 in Mg's daily - 20/40/30/20/10)))
Going to have my doc do bloodwork around week 7 or 8 and then probably a month or two after the cycle.

NOW the only thing I have left unfinished is deciding between trying to get my hands on some HCG, or just taking some tribulus with the Nolva for my PCT. Do you guys think that HCG will be necessary at the doses and for only 10 weeks? I'll post my before pictures a few weeks before I start the cycle. Which I am planning to do towards the end of Dec. So let me know what you guys think, and thanks in advance!
 
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:30 AM   #2
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wow, there are alot of problmes with that cycle. SOme of which are realy going to bite you in the ass.

DO not use nolva any time short of 3 weeks after your last shot of deca.

Deca should be run at least 12 weeks due to the long ester and you should run test 4 weeks past that.

TEst/deca is one of the worst 1st cycle because you'll have no idead what is causing your sides, or how to treat them.

Saw palmetto can significantly lower your libido and sexual performance. There is little or no medical proof that it efects PSA levels. I would recomend against it.

sustanon is great and mg for mg it is stronger than test E or cyp but it needs to be injected 3x per week at a minimum.

Letro is a horrible choice for an AI. Libido probs and lipid panel destruction are high on i's list of side effects. Get aromasin. use 12.5 mg ED to start.

HCG is for use on cycle not in PCT.

Dude you ned to stay away from using gear until you learn alittle bit about it. This cycle idea looks to be straight of bodybuilding.com.
 
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:37 AM   #3
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I agree with everything Rocco said bro. The other thing I'd say is that just becuase you will get a good deal on sustanon, I wouldn't take it. Even for a first cycle Id try to keep it simple and run one straight test and maybe switch the deca for eq so u dont have to guess if ur sides are prgesterone/estrogen caused. For your first time you should keep the injections at 2x week, and avoid esters that require more frequent shots. you have enought to worry about without just starting injecting and having to rotate all over.
 
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:51 AM   #4
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Knuckes brings up a god point. Single esters are easy yet still yield good results. 2x EW is plenty for test E or Cyp.

For a 1st cycle i'd say run just test and maybe add a shorter ester compound at the end if you'd like. Jupstarting is tricky business if it's you 1st cycle. WHatever you do add (if you choose to go that route) should be an aromatisable drug like knuckles mentioned.
 
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