[mabusincarnate]

i just finished my first cycle with great success. i gained 20 pounds in 10 weeks on 200mg/week of TE.

i wanted to do a low dose my first time to see how my body would handle it. the only side effects were that the peach fuz on my belly turned black and i got tons of acne. my friends/wife claim i was more of an asshole than usual but i dont think so.

i'm using Clindamycin and Tretinoin for the acne.

i'll probably bump it up to 300mg/week for my next cycle.

i've read conflicting studies. some say only the alkyl-17 oral TE causes liver problems and other say the intramuscular TE cause elevated SGPT/SGOT levels. does anyone get bloodwork done before/during/after a cycle? if so, what have been the effects?

this is my first time here so, hi everyone. i've been lurking for a while. thanks for the info.

[king james]

getting blood work done before, during, and after a positive thing, wouldnt you agree. some ppl only after, but if you have the time why not.

[roccodart440]

I get mine done after. 3 months after to be exa ct thaen I get back on.

NExt time 300 would be ok but I think you'll find after those gains you may need 50 or 300plus something else.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by mabusincarnate

i just finished my first cycle with great success. i gained 20 pounds in 10 weeks on 200mg/week of TE.

i wanted to do a low dose my first time to see how my body would handle it. the only side effects were that the peach fuz on my belly turned black and i got tons of acne. my friends/wife claim i was more of an asshole than usual but i dont think so.

i'm using Clindamycin and Tretinoin for the acne.

i'll probably bump it up to 300mg/week for my next cycle.

i've read conflicting studies. some say only the alkyl-17 oral TE causes liver problems and other say the intramuscular TE cause elevated SGPT/SGOT levels. does anyone get bloodwork done before/during/after a cycle? if so, what have been the effects?

this is my first time here so, hi everyone. i've been lurking for a while. thanks for the info.

Thats an extremely low dosage. If ur natural test is normal to high, u probly didnt even shut down ur own production. Thats pissin in the wind if u ask me, but thats just my .02 But if u made gains then u made gains so congrats bro!

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by Knuckles

Thats an extremely low dosage. If ur natural test is normal to high, u probly didnt even shut down ur own production. Thats pissin in the wind if u ask me, but thats just my .02 But if u made gains then u made gains so congrats bro!

150mg will put you at about a test level of about 800-just over 1000 depending on your body's chemistry and size and will significantly shut your natural production down to almost nothing. THis is why TRT patients who take between 100-150mg EW are prescribed hcg if the testicular atrophy bothers them.

[Knuckles]

If ur not running enough test to shut ur natural production down, then what is the point? That's my point.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

150mg will put you at about a test level of about 800-just over 1000 depending on your body's chemistry and size and will significantly shut your natural production down to almost nothing. THis is why TRT patients who take between 100-150mg EW are prescribed hcg if the testicular atrophy bothers them.

Any amount of steroids may cause testicular atrophy, that doesnt mean u r running ur dosage properly....

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by Knuckles

If ur not running enough test to shut ur natural production down, then what is the point? That's my point.

My point is 150mg EW will significantly shut you down. And he was over that. Another point is some peple gain alot off low dose cycles so at least for a first cycle they shouldn't be frowned upon.

[mabusincarnate]

i definitely had testicular atrophy.

i had my testosterone and liver enzymes checked before, during, and after my cycle. i took my shot every monday. i got my levels checked mid-cycle on a monday before my injection and my levels were well above 800. that means 800 is the lowest level my testosterone got to during my cycle. for my first cycle, that's right where i wanted to be.

my liver enzymes were really low before i started. they were slightly above normal mid cycle. now theyre right in the middle of the normal range.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

My point is 150mg EW will significantly shut you down. And he was over that. Another point is some peple gain alot off low dose cycles so at least for a first cycle they shouldn't be frowned upon.

No, he would be borderline at best, and at 800, thats good, but what are you trying to do??? Hormone therapy, or cycling for bodybuilding?? You can't justify such a low dose. It's simply not the way anyone should ever recommend settin up a cycle other than for the purpose of hormone therapy for an old head. So, dont justify it and let other people who dont know shit read ur post and inform themselves improperly.

[mabusincarnate]

Originally Posted by Knuckles

No, he would be borderline at best, and at 800, thats good, but what are you trying to do??? Hormone therapy, or cycling for bodybuilding?? You can't justify such a low dose. It's simply not the way anyone should ever recommend settin up a cycle other than for the purpose of hormone therapy for an old head. So, dont justify it and let other people who dont know shit read ur post and inform themselves improperly.

did you not catch that this was my first time to ever mess with gear? i didn't want to take a large dose my first time. simple.

[Knuckles]

Originally Posted by mabusincarnate

did you not catch that this was my first time to ever mess with gear? i didn't want to take a large dose my first time. simple.

I didnt miss that, dont worry.

[roccodart440]

well knuckles point proved right here. any time you are on cycle your test levels should be above pituitary max levels which is about 1000. YOu needed more gear but what this also tels us is that your natural levels are lower than they should be.