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Old 11-15-2006, 07:30 AM   #1
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after useing steroids for a long time (in tables form) is it true you have to take a different form of steroid to level the amount fo chemicals running through you liver,

eg if ive used steroids for 8 weeks at 4 a day, my liver will be intoxicated, will i have to take a different tablet to make sure the steroids arent doing dramatic damage to my liver, like a nutraliser i think it was called.


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Old 11-15-2006, 07:51 AM   #2
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Well assuming you mean tablets (orals) which kill your liver and you should never take. You should start by taking milk thistle and drink a lot of water. Implying that you are taking steroids or planning to please stop and do not do it for another 4 years at least.
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:56 PM   #3
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Well assuming you mean tablets (orals) which kill your liver and you should never take. You should start by taking milk thistle and drink a lot of water. Implying that you are taking steroids or planning to please stop and do not do it for another 4 years at least.

So you are saying you should never take oral steroids? Are you implying that all oral steroids have the same liver toxicity level and are guerenteed to "kill you liver" Do you know how liver toxic tylenol is?
 
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:51 PM   #4
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So you are saying you should never take oral steroids? Are you implying that all oral steroids have the same liver toxicity level and are guerenteed to "kill you liver" Do you know how liver toxic tylenol is?
CERTAINLY NOT AT 17! If you had a choice to take orals or inject which would you choose? I would inject, that's just me. I am aware that acetaminophen is taxing on the liver. Just saying he sounds like a kid who knows nothing about steroids who probably bought some fake tabs from his "friend" and is now asking questions about dbol only. Wait, research, then inject imo.
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:23 AM   #5
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too young,.... most young lifters love the fact that they can get MOST of the roids in oral form, at half the effect, which in reality it fucks up your liver,. do like the freak did, and if not haha prepare for a 1kmg a day Milk thistle Liver clean lol good luck styay healthy
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:29 PM   #6
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Orals are great. Most steroid users use orals for some durration of their cycles. Liver toxcicity is greatly exaggerated. Also not all orals are 17-AA such as Anvar and are less taking on your liver. Some injectables Winstol Depot, Averbol, Tren A are just as tough on your liver as orals. Also orals are very effective, im not sure how they would be half as effective as injectables. The most "effective" steroid is Anadrol. So saying that you should never take any form of orals is going overboard IMO. That being said oral only cycles are shit. You should always have a test base and if possible limit your oral use to 4-6 weeks on 4-6 weeks off while on an injectable cycle. What bothers me about your post isnt that you are using all orals or even that you are 18 although both are problems, the real issue is that you dont seem to know what you are taking, in what mg doses, there is no mention of PCT or even Off time. Regardless of if you are using oral, injectables or both, you need PCT and off time. Running orals for extended periods of time is not a good idea, in addition to the liver problems that you mentioned you can also have major bp issues if you are using dbol or drol. If you have been on for 8 weeks stop now and research a PCT which you should run ASAP. And get educated on what you are doing next time before you start poping pills.
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:11 PM   #7
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Liver damage is probably the most sensationalized of all side effects possible from steroid use. The media often focuses on this particular problem as if it occurs with every steroid, and in every person who takes them. Nothing could be further than the truth. Most anabolic steroids which are ingested orally pass through the liver, which functions as the bodyīs filtration system. When something goes through the liver, it is broken down by various enzymes, and passed along into the bloodstream. Most research on orally administered anabolic steroids focus on the fact that liver enzymes are elevated following ingestion. But does this necessarily mean that the liver is being damaged, does it? Of course not. Commonly, studies that focus on steroid toxicity often use absurd doses, or incorrectly focus on liver activity instead of damage. The liver functions as the filter for the human body.. itīs going to be activated whenever something (not just a steroid) passes through it. Does that show that steroids damage the liver? Letīs see what the scientists say..

There was an eight-week study done in 1999, which looked at the effects of an 8-week cycle of Oral steroids. The steroids examined were Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone), Dianabol (methylandrostanolone), or Winstrol (Stanozolol) on rats at the dose of 2mg/kg-body weight, administered five times a week for 8 weeks. That s almost 200mgs/day of any of those steroids, for a 200lb user. That is, Iīll speculate, much more than the average person would use on a cycle. In fact, I have never, in my years of researching steroids and speaking with athletes, heard of anybody using 200mgs/day of Halotestin, Winstrol, or Dianabol. Ever.

And, at the end of that study, In vivo, each rat still had liver enzyme levels that were within normal range!

(*Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Feb;31(2):243-50, Rat liver lysosomal and mitochondrial activities are modified by anabolic-androgenic steroids. Molano F, Saborido A, Delgado J, Moran M, Megias A.)

In another study, 16 bodybuilders using steroids were compared to 12 bodybuilders who were not. Then the bodybuilders who had used steroids stopped taking them for three months, at which points, the researchers found that liver enzymes had returned to the same levels as the non users. After only 3 months!

(*Int J Sports Med 1996 Aug;17(6):429-33, Body composition, cardiovascular risk factors and liver function in long-term androgenic-anabolic steroids using bodybuilders three months after drug withdrawal. Hartgens F, Kuipers H, Wijnen JA, Keizer HA.)

We can see from the chart below that ex-steroid users have totally normal liver enzymes one year after they stop using& .in fact, for some liver enzymes, even the current users have normal scores!

reference- Side Effects of Steroids - Steroid Side Effects
 
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:17 PM   #8
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You are pretty good at digging up dead threads 260GOGO...
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:42 AM   #9
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Hey im new to the forum an bout to start my cycle similar wit 100mg anadrol 250 deca an 400mg test twice a week wat u guys think this is definently not my first cycle and i have tomoxafin for estrogen but hasnt been to essential in the past is that too much test

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Old 12-28-2007, 09:03 PM   #10
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hey fellas im new 2 this stuff, and have got my self a 20mils of stanazol, but now have herd that you cannot take stanazol on its own, it needs 2 b mixed with test boosters 2 activate it.. could some1 let me know weather this is tru???
 
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hey fellas im new 2 this stuff, and have got my self a 20mils of stanazol, but now have herd that you cannot take stanazol on its own, it needs 2 b mixed with test boosters 2 activate it.. could some1 let me know weather this is tru???
Can you take it on it's own: Yes, should you? No.

Does not need to be mixed. Read the profile.
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Old 12-29-2007, 06:34 AM   #12
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thanx for the reply.. how come can you not take it on it own?? "wot should i stack it with then"

im lookin to shred up, iv done the size naturally but wanna shred the rest, and i have herd that its really bad to drink it, and take it on its own. I also herd that its bad 2 take after 6pm.
But on the flip side i herd u can drink it if u take liver supplements.!!!
 
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