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Old 10-04-2006, 12:27 AM   #1
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Hey guys first cycle, week 4. 500mg Test E 500mg Deca with Arimidex throughout. I think I have the test flu, just curious if anybody knows why this happens. Thanks.
 
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:25 AM   #2
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Well where to start. YOur stuff may not be exactly pure. YOur running way to much for a 1st cycle. YOur pumping oil into your bloodstream. YOur adding asters of chemicla commpounds which are hormone altering into your bloodstream.

Good new is it only lasts a week and even though you feel like you have the flu it oown;t effect your training.
 
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Old 10-04-2006, 02:23 PM   #3
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a natural defense mechanism - to the sudden increase in exogenous hormone levels. Its the body's way of trying to "flush" out the foreign entity it perceives is there (just as it does w/ a flu virus). There has also been some connection between high BA content and immune response. think the combination of sudden increased hormone levels and a foreign substance being injected into the muscle can cause these symptoms. Some people are sensitive, some arent. Certain people don’t experience it at all and some might just get mild chills (low grade fever) or a runny nose for a few days and not even take much note of it.

etiocholanolone represents only about 20% of the metabolites of testosterone in people. Maybe folks who experience this reaction to testosteone have particularly high levels of 17 beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, the enzyme that converts testosterone into etiocholanolone. Or an isoform of the enzyme that makes the conversion more efficient.

Etiocholanolone is believed to produce fever and flu-like aches and pains because it induces the systemic release of Interleukin-1, a powerful proinflammatory cytokine:

Pyrogenicity of etiocholanolone and interleukin-1 in New and Old World Monkeys.

Steinetz BG, Randolph C, Werner R, Mahoney CJ.

New York University Medical Center, Laboratory for Experimental Medicine and Surgery in Primates, Tuxedo 10987, USA. steinetz@charlotte.med.nyu.edu

Etiocholanolone (5beta-androstan-3alpha-ol-17-one; designated E) is one of the major products of metabolism of testosterone and androstenedione (androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) in many mammalian species, including humans. E and several other 5beta-reduced steroids have been found to induce fever in humans. The pyrogenic effect of these steroids has been shown to be due to the release of interleukin-1 (IL-1) from the leukocytes that are mobilized in response to the steroid injections. Old World Monkeys such as Rhesus monkeys (Macaca mu/atta), metabolize androgens similarly to humans, and E is a normal metabolite. However, New World Monkeys such as Squirrel monkeys (Saimiri sciureus), lack hepatic 5alpha- and 5beta-steroid reductases and excrete androgens primarily in an unaltered state; E is not produced. Therefore, we postulate that Squirrel monkeys likewise may have lost the ability to respond to 17-ketosteroids such as E. To test this hypothesis, adult male Rhesus and Squirrel monkeys were treated with E, and their rectal temperatures were recorded over a 24-hr period. Rhesus monkeys exhibited a rise of up to 3 degrees F following E injection. Squirrel monkeys, on the other hand, did not exhibit any increase in rectal temperature over the 24-hr period, even when doses up to 250 times the effective human dose were used. However, both species responded to injected IL-1alpha with a robust increase in rectal temperature. The data show that E is pyrogenic in Rhesus, but not Squirrel monkeys. The findings support the notion that injected E may induce release of IL-1 in Rhesus monkeys, but not in Squirrel monkeys
 
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:27 PM   #4
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basically its your body saying "whoa what the hell just entered me?" so its a normal thing. it should go away very quickly.
 
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:29 PM   #5
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Well where to start. YOur stuff may not be exactly pure. YOur running way to much for a 1st cycle. YOur pumping oil into your bloodstream. YOur adding asters of chemicla commpounds which are hormone altering into your bloodstream.

Good new is it only lasts a week and even though you feel like you have the flu it oown;t effect your training.
Your right in a sense. test @ 500mg is well enough for a first cycle, thats exactly what i ran. you may encounter issues with the deca and its harder to manipulate the sides because you dont know which compound is causing it.
 
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Old 10-05-2006, 12:10 PM   #6
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Your right in a sense. test @ 500mg is well enough for a first cycle, thats exactly what i ran. you may encounter issues with the deca and its harder to manipulate the sides because you dont know which compound is causing it.
So very true my friend.
 
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