Test and Tren

Animal981 · 08-13-2006, 12:12 PM

What would be the acceptable timeframe to run tren? 3 weeks? 4 weeks, tops?

In case it changes anything I figured the cycle would look something like this

weeks 1-10 Test E @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Tren Ace 75mg EOD

And of course proper PCT followed up.

I've never used tren but I hear insane things about it. With the ace ester, am I correct in assuming quick gains of size and strength? Thus using an oral would be unnessiacary?

Knuckles · 08-13-2006, 02:21 PM

You could run tren longer than that my friend. I would not run orals with it myself, being that is your first time running tren. Keep it simple for now. know the possible sides of tren and understand you are now throwing all hormones out of balance in ur system. I would run the tren for 6-8 weeks and bump the test to at least 12 -15 wks with no orals. Dosage looks good on both, I might bump the test to 600/wk tho. Everyone reacts differently to compounds, but you should see significant size and strength gains with tren in the form of lean mass. How many cycles have you done? what did u run previously? how old r u?

Tapout1 · 08-13-2006, 03:39 PM

run the tren longer, you will love that cycle. that was my first too.

Animal981 · 08-13-2006, 08:32 PM

I am currently 2 weeks into my first cycle. Kept it very basic and low doseage just to get a feel how my body will react to AAS.

Am currently doing:
1-10 weeks 400mg Test Cyp/week @ 2 shots of 200mg

I regret not running an oral like Dbol or something with this cycle. As its been roughly two weeks and from what I hear the gains don't really kick in until about 3. Anyone got any input on a long acting test ester cycle that they did personally? I would like to hear your experiance.

Very basic, easy not over the top. So far I've gained 11-12 pounds it will be 14 days as of tommorow. The reason I ask about the tren is I hear that tren is gods gift to the earth. So I figure I would incorperate it into my next cycle. Which I'm planning sometime after PCT of this cycle.

Knuckles · 08-14-2006, 08:55 PM

uh oh, we got a lifer. just started and already plannin the next one! haha (i was just like that). your gains wont start until about week 3. yours should be very gradual with such a low-moderate dose. watch what u eat. if u gained 12 lbs already, it aint from the gear, ur eatin something u shouldnt be eatin. Dont use a cycle as an excuse to eat mass calories. get plenty of protein and clean carbs. I would honestly bump the dosage to at least 500/wk if i were u and run it for at least 12 weeks, 15 would be better yet. My advice, stay away from the tren for a while bro. thats big boy toys. doesnt sound like ur ready to go thereuntil u get a few cycles under ur belt. that is a common error in this scene, and why it gets a bad name.

Mulletsoldier · 08-14-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Knuckles

uh oh, we got a lifer. just started and already plannin the next one! haha (i was just like that). your gains wont start until about week 3. yours should be very gradual with such a low-moderate dose. watch what u eat. if u gained 12 lbs already, it aint from the gear, ur eatin something u shouldnt be eatin. Dont use a cycle as an excuse to eat mass calories. get plenty of protein and clean carbs. I would honestly bump the dosage to at least 500/wk if i were u and run it for at least 12 weeks, 15 would be better yet. My advice, stay away from the tren for a while bro. thats big boy toys. doesnt sound like ur ready to go thereuntil u get a few cycles under ur belt. that is a common error in this scene, and why it gets a bad name.

Most definitely good advice. People's response times differ on longer acting Esters, some do not feel the Enanthate Ester fully until week 6, others earlier. Though I do not advocate needlessly bumping dosages, I think you could safely elongate your cycle to 12 weeks--same dosage.

Animal981 · 08-15-2006, 12:20 AM

To tell the truth I blame the 10 pound gain on water weight. As I've gained minimal fat thus far. Thats what everyone keeps telling me. week 3 I'm a little upset I didn't stack it with something.

I know it varies from person to person. but given what you know what do you think I could get out of this cycle? In terms of bodyweight vs. lean body mass?

If it matters I'm 5'6" 185 pounds.

Animal981 · 08-15-2006, 05:46 PM

Anyone?

Mulletsoldier · 08-15-2006, 06:08 PM

That will literally depend on you. Not only the quantity of weight, but the quality of said weight is 90% dependent on your diet, 5% training, 5% anabolics. I have heard people gain as little as 10 and as much as 30, but once again for me to tell you a reference number is just throwing spit to the wind as it is all dependent on you as an individual

Animal981 · 08-15-2006, 07:27 PM

Well put sir. So main focuses eating clean and eating alot. Protein sythesis is positively influenced as I am led to beleive?

Mulletsoldier · 08-15-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal981

Well put sir. So main focuses eating clean and eating alot. Protein sythesis is positively influenced as I am led to beleive?

Yesh ma'am, that is the proccess of anabolism.

If you have not already, begin tracking your calories at FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal. Registration is free and it is extremely easy to use. Without knowing which calories, and which amounts positively effect you--you will not be able to garner the highest quality gains.

Animal981 · 08-16-2006, 12:05 AM

Will do. I used to have one of those but I regret never having kept up on it. I will strive to make use of this during the cycle.

Animal981 · 08-16-2006, 12:07 AM

Oh one more question I get alot of my calories from Protein shakes. Almost all of them accually. My question would 500 grams of protein be a waste on cycle?

Mulletsoldier · 08-16-2006, 01:17 AM

Whoa, whoa. Do you mean kcals derived from Protein? Or all of your total kcals? Neither are ideal, but the latter would be horrible. Try to center your diet around nutrient rich whole foods. High quality protein sources such as poultry, lean cuts of beef, tuna, salmon, and pork. These protein sources not only contain a better micro-nutrient profile (vitamins and minerals) but also the protein contained in them will digest on a more stable rate, allowing your body to utilize that protein more effeicently. Conversely, your Carbohydrate and Fat sources should also be of a higher quality than protein shakes. Focus on Low-GI carb sources such as whole grain breads, whole grain flat breads (made without sugar most times), whole grain bagels, etc., Just as the protein sources mentioned above these carbohydrates are proccessed at a slower rate, thereby raising blood sugar and Insulin levels at a far more stable rate. Eating these type of Carbohydrates while on cycle becomes dually important as AAS raises our Insulin Sensitivity, allowing Insulin to move more Glucose in the form of Glycogen to our muscles more effeicently than natural. Couple that with upregulation of IGF-1 and Protein Synthesis, and voila--increased mucle mass..

Anyway, that was a long blurb. If you are not dead-set on starting this cycle now, may I suggest that you provide some minor-or where needed-major tweaks to your diet first? Just to see how a balanced diet specifically tailored to your needs helps you to grow. Just a thought.