Members
 Register


Rules | Articles | Arcade | Members List

 
Go Back   Bodybuilding Dungeon > Bodybuilding > Steroids
 

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
first cycle
Old 08-07-2006, 12:16 PM   #1
Who am I
NPC Lightweight
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 24
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 0Who am I is an unknown quantity at this point

Who am I is offline
  Reply With Quote

Stats

21 years
175cm
84kg
BF 12%

Trained for 4 years 4 times a week. No exception.

1-2 750mg test e EW
2-12 500mg test e EW
1-14 50mg proviron ED
PCT
14-16 40mg Nolvadex ED
16-18 20mg Nolvadex ED
12-14 1500IU HCG E5D

What do you guys think ?
Injecting all on mondays vs. inject monday / thursday ?
Is it good too be frontloading (dont wanna take d-bol) ?
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Who am I Find More Posts by Who am I
 
 
Old 08-07-2006, 06:57 PM   #2
idunk42
NPC Lightweight

 
idunk42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 27
Posts: 95
Rep Power: 0idunk42 is an unknown quantity at this point

idunk42 is offline
  Reply With Quote

Dont use HCG during PCT. If you're gonna use it, do 250IU/ 2x a week starting around week 5.
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to idunk42 Find More Posts by idunk42
 
 
Old 08-07-2006, 08:09 PM   #3
Freak
Moderator

 
Freak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Iowa
Age: 23
Posts: 8,451
Rep Power: 556Freak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond repute

Freak is online now
  Reply With Quote

I would wait a few years.
__________________
Success is contagious!

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Push beyond what you think is possible.

Bodybuilding: The science of hacking the human body.

Focus - obstacles are those frightful things you see when you fail to focus on your goals.
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Freak Find More Posts by Freak
 
 
Old 08-08-2006, 02:05 AM   #4
BPMartyr
NPC Lightweight

 
BPMartyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 89
Rep Power: 3BPMartyr is on a distinguished road

BPMartyr is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by idunk42
Dont use HCG during PCT. If you're gonna use it, do 250IU/ 2x a week starting around week 5.
Agreed.

I wouldn't frontload either. I use a short ester test at the beginning and end of every test cycle. Prop, suspension or transdermal TNE.

1-4 Prop 75-100mg ed or 150-200mg eod
1-12 TestE 250mg 2x ew
13-15 Prop, same as above
6-15 HCG 250iu 2x ew

16-20 PCT

I would throw something into PCT to control cortisol like Lean XT, 7-OXO etc.
A sapponin like Fenugreek or even better Powerfull will do wonders for the libido as well.
__________________
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
that's right b1tches, roid monkey does not take pity on 235lb 6% bf guy, they really envy 275lbs with no visible abs or muscle tone. he picks up the 15lbs yellow dumbbells and slings them across room and says 'you've been saluued'. you guys are just haters on the great roid monkey. sometimes i tuck my penis between my legs and flap around kitchen like a chicken saying 'caw..caw'. that's what the hoes really like is a flapping chicken. the first time i got gang banged in a dark alley and how exciting it was broomstick shoved up my butt. 'that's right arnold, it's not a tumor, you've been salueed.'
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to BPMartyr Find More Posts by BPMartyr
 
 
Old 08-08-2006, 11:14 AM   #5
Who am I
NPC Lightweight
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 24
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 0Who am I is an unknown quantity at this point

Who am I is offline
  Reply With Quote

I dont want to inject this much HCG 2 think 2-3 shoots a week is enough. How about.

1-2 750mg test e EW
2-12 500mg test e EW
1-14 50mg proviron ED
6 1500 iu HCG
7 1500iu HCG
8 1500iu HCG
PCT
14-16 40mg Nolvadex ED
16-18 20mg Nolvadex ED

Why not hcg during pct to recover better ?
Why not frontload with the same drug ?
The desired amout testosterone will get faster ind the blood, so the blood level are stabel after only 2 weeks insted of 4 weeks. ?
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Who am I Find More Posts by Who am I
 
 
Old 08-08-2006, 09:24 PM   #6
BPMartyr
NPC Lightweight

 
BPMartyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 89
Rep Power: 3BPMartyr is on a distinguished road

BPMartyr is offline
  Reply With Quote

[quote=Who am I]I dont want to inject this much HCG 2 think 2-3 shoots a week is enough.

QUOTE]

HCG can be injected subQ with an insulin pin. It is nothing. I would be more worried about doing a proper cycle than being a pussy about injections.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Who am I

Why not hcg during pct to recover better ?
Why not frontload with the same drug ?
The desired amout testosterone will get faster ind the blood, so the blood level are stabel after only 2 weeks insted of 4 weeks. ?
There are varying opinions on the HCG. I recommend reading some of Swales work. He knows his stuff. Do a search at at Anabolicminds for "swales protocol". Here is a start: SWALES post cycle therapy protocol

You can frontload if you like but I and many others I know don't find it effective. Besides, there is nothing like the feeling of a fast acting test, ya gotta try it.

Oh yeah, when posting cycle plans, don't overlap your weeks. If I am running test weeks 1-12 and Proviron 1-14, PCT starts on week 15 not 14. You will be taking Proviron untill the end of week 14 thus PCT starts at the beginning of week 15. Make sense?
__________________
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
that's right b1tches, roid monkey does not take pity on 235lb 6% bf guy, they really envy 275lbs with no visible abs or muscle tone. he picks up the 15lbs yellow dumbbells and slings them across room and says 'you've been saluued'. you guys are just haters on the great roid monkey. sometimes i tuck my penis between my legs and flap around kitchen like a chicken saying 'caw..caw'. that's what the hoes really like is a flapping chicken. the first time i got gang banged in a dark alley and how exciting it was broomstick shoved up my butt. 'that's right arnold, it's not a tumor, you've been salueed.'
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to BPMartyr Find More Posts by BPMartyr
 
 
Old 08-09-2006, 03:17 AM   #7
Mulletsoldier
Banned

 
Mulletsoldier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 309
Rep Power: 0Mulletsoldier is just really nice

Mulletsoldier is offline
  Reply With Quote

The debate on whether frontloading with a longer Ester has been discussed many times on various boards, but from all the bros I have talked to it makes no difference whatsoever. If you are concerned about a kickstart, choose an oral you are comfortable with, or as BP stated a faster acting Ester such as Prop.

And as he stated PCT starts 7-14 (dependent on the person) days after your last injection
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Find More Posts by Mulletsoldier
 
 
Old 08-09-2006, 03:22 AM   #8
Mulletsoldier
Banned

 
Mulletsoldier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 309
Rep Power: 0Mulletsoldier is just really nice

Mulletsoldier is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by Who am I
Why not hcg during pct to recover better ?
Because HCG is suppressive in of itself bro. It's purpose is to "keep the horse in the barn, instead of letting it out to have to chase it across three counties" as SWALE himself stated. Prolonged use can literally hault Test production by the HPTA axis.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Who am I
Why not frontload with the same drug ?
The desired amout testosterone will get faster ind the blood, so the blood level are stabel after only 2 weeks insted of 4 weeks. ?
As I stated above this debate has been had many times, but IMO there is no point in frontloading. Reaching a stable serum level with a longer acting Ester is dependent on the individuals reaction with that Ester, frontloading with said Ester would not speed this proccess, only possibly placing more active in the bloodstream once levels are steady. I should say however this is only my opinion.
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Find More Posts by Mulletsoldier
 
 
Old 08-09-2006, 04:52 PM   #9
Who am I
NPC Lightweight
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 24
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 0Who am I is an unknown quantity at this point

Who am I is offline
  Reply With Quote

U have to understand I only whant to take 3 times hcg because I have 3 x 1500iu from organon. I am goind to take it IM. What is the best week to start hcg during the cycle. I can understand it schould be injected min. E5D ?
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Who am I Find More Posts by Who am I
 
 
Old 08-09-2006, 07:46 PM   #10
BPMartyr
NPC Lightweight

 
BPMartyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 89
Rep Power: 3BPMartyr is on a distinguished road

BPMartyr is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by Who am I
U have to understand I only whant to take 3 times hcg because I have 3 x 1500iu from organon. I am goind to take it IM. What is the best week to start hcg during the cycle. I can understand it schould be injected min. E5D ?
Add BW to a concentration of 250iu/ml. You can still go IM. You can use 29ga slin pins, you can't hardly even feel them subq or IM.




Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a glycoprotein hormone that is produced from a sterile preparation of placental glucoprotein urine of expectant women. In other words it is an extracted out of piss. This is a must have in any long cycle or cycles with highly suppressive gear (Nandrolone Decanoate, Trenbolone and the like). Its main function is to prevent/reverse testicular atrophy cause by the suppression of the HTPA and the Leydig cells by mimicking the leutenizing hormones. In plan English it keeps your boys both happy and large. It does NOT reverse the suppression of testosterone production but use of HCG will speed up the process considerable. A full post cycle therapy routine is still necessary though. Again HCG is best used in a preventative manner.

To reconstitute HCG you must mix it with bacteriostatic water. How this is package depends on what brand your are buying. The most common is a 5,000iu amp that must be mixed and placed in a new separate sterile vial (we don’t use all of it at once). It usually comes with a vial of about 1 to 1.5 cc of bacteriostatic water. It also comes as two vials, one vial with no water. There is a 1500iu versions of the above as well. When mixing your HCG remember that is the stated shelf life is 8 weeks (60 days), it will last longer, maybe up to 16 weeks but it will louse potency. A good rule of thumb is not to mix up any more then you want to use for 8 to 10 weeks. If that isn’t available then increase the dosage as the cycle progress to compensate (note: not everyone agrees that this is an acceptable practice, you will have to use your own judgment here.).

Directions. This is my method of doing this so other may differ but this I think is the most accurate and simplest way of doing this. First make sure you have your supplies ready, you need one 5 or 10ml vial, at least 2ml of bacteriostatic water for 5,000iu or 1ml for ever 2,500iu you have, one regular sterile syringe with needle (20 to 25 gauge 1 inch is fine), a file for scoring the amp, alcohol swabs, and some sterile gauze (I am retentive about being sterile, a clean cloth would work). First use the alcohol swabs to clean off top of your vial and amp. Take your file and use around the breaking point on the neck until you have worked 360 degrees around it. Wipe again with the alcohol pad and wrap the top with the gauze (this keeps you from cutting yourself) and break the amp. Take your syringe and draw up 1cc of bacteriostatic water (make sure you wiped the top of the vial with alcohol) and inject it into the amp. Do not let the needle get dirty. Gently swirl the water around until all the powder is dissolved. Use the same syringe and suck up all the HCG solution and inject it into the sterile vial. Then using the same syringe draw up another cc of bacteriostatic water and inject it into the amp again. Swirl the water around for a minute then draw it all up and inject it into the sterile vial. You now have your solution made at 2,500iu per milliliter. This is convent because 250iu is easily measured by the 10iu mark on a insulin syringe. To change the concentration simple adjust the amount of water. For instance if you wanted 250iu for each .25cc then you would use 5ml of water.
__________________
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
that's right b1tches, roid monkey does not take pity on 235lb 6% bf guy, they really envy 275lbs with no visible abs or muscle tone. he picks up the 15lbs yellow dumbbells and slings them across room and says 'you've been saluued'. you guys are just haters on the great roid monkey. sometimes i tuck my penis between my legs and flap around kitchen like a chicken saying 'caw..caw'. that's what the hoes really like is a flapping chicken. the first time i got gang banged in a dark alley and how exciting it was broomstick shoved up my butt. 'that's right arnold, it's not a tumor, you've been salueed.'
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to BPMartyr Find More Posts by BPMartyr
 
 
Old 08-10-2006, 01:47 PM   #11
Who am I
NPC Lightweight
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 24
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 0Who am I is an unknown quantity at this point

Who am I is offline
  Reply With Quote

I only whant to take 3 times hcg because I have 3 x 1500iu from organon. I am goind to take it IM. What is the best week to start hcg during the cycle. I can understand it schould be injected min. E5D ?
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Who am I Find More Posts by Who am I
 
 
Old 08-10-2006, 08:15 PM   #12
BPMartyr
NPC Lightweight

 
BPMartyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 89
Rep Power: 3BPMartyr is on a distinguished road

BPMartyr is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by Who am I
I only whant to take 3 times hcg because I have 3 x 1500iu from organon. I am goind to take it IM. What is the best week to start hcg during the cycle. I can understand it schould be injected min. E5D ?
I feel like I am slammin my head against a wall here. DILUTE THE AMPS WITH BW! You have already been told the best way to take it. If you don't like it, figure it out yourself. Sheesh.
__________________
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
that's right b1tches, roid monkey does not take pity on 235lb 6% bf guy, they really envy 275lbs with no visible abs or muscle tone. he picks up the 15lbs yellow dumbbells and slings them across room and says 'you've been saluued'. you guys are just haters on the great roid monkey. sometimes i tuck my penis between my legs and flap around kitchen like a chicken saying 'caw..caw'. that's what the hoes really like is a flapping chicken. the first time i got gang banged in a dark alley and how exciting it was broomstick shoved up my butt. 'that's right arnold, it's not a tumor, you've been salueed.'
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to BPMartyr Find More Posts by BPMartyr
 
 
Old 08-11-2006, 06:17 PM   #13
dieseld
NPC Super Heavyweight

 
dieseld's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 478
Rep Power: 16dieseld has a spectacular aura about

dieseld is offline
  Reply With Quote