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Old 07-26-2006, 03:22 AM   #1
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Hey Guys hope everyone is doing good!

What would be better after a Gaspari Halodrol cycle Nolvadex or Clomid?
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Old 07-26-2006, 02:21 PM   #2
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I prefer Nolvadex. It works at both the pituitary as well as the hypothalamus (I believe this is the correct region) whereas Clomid only works at one of them.

Clomid is also known to have a lot of side effects, many of which are very undesirable. I have seen some studies out there that show the efficacy of both and Nolvadex almost always seemed to be the outright winner in that department.
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Many people do a week or a few days saturation with Clomid to really kickstart the ol' boys so to speak. However, as Lake pointed out there is a myriad of factors associated with Clomid and Novla is definitely the proper choice to run throughout the duration of your cycle.

If you would like a few suggestions for wonderful additions to help with recovery, let me or Lake know and we would be glad to point you in the right direction.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:38 AM   #4
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Thanks LakeMountD and MulletSoldier!Soldier what other additions besides Nolva would be good for PCT?
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Thanks LakeMountD and MulletSoldier!Soldier what other additions besides Nolva would be good for PCT?
Look into cortisol blocking or reduction. Most AAS while on cycle severely downregulate cortisol while one is on cycle and through negative feedback it begins to surface again during PCT, a cortisol blocker such as Lean Extreme is a very good choice for that. For libido boost look into herbal extracts such as Fenugreek, Lonkat, Trib, Maca, etc., A great addition would be Powerfull by USP Labs. Many of the members over at AM.com have implemented it in their PCT's with great success.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 04:37 AM   #6
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Look into cortisol blocking or reduction. Most AAS while on cycle severely downregulate cortisol while one is on cycle and through negative feedback it begins to surface again during PCT, a cortisol blocker such as Lean Extreme is a very good choice for that. For libido boost look into herbal extracts such as Fenugreek, Lonkat, Trib, Maca, etc., A great addition would be Powerfull by USP Labs. Many of the members over at AM.com have implemented it in their PCT's with great success.

Thanks alot for the info bro really appreciate it!
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Yeah my typical PCT is the following. I will explain each thing out so you see my reasoning:

Nolvadex or Toremifene: Toremifene is more expensive but has a more positive influence on lipid values in PCT and is less liver toxic. However, both work very well.

DHEA: DHEA has been shown to greatly increase test levels in older males (usually like 55+), but in PCT your test levels mimic that of an older male and therefore i t makes a great addition and a very cheap one at that.

Saponins: (Fenugreek, Tribulus, MACA, etc.) It has been shown that at current potencies saponins do not increase androgen levels, but one thing that is noticed is that libido is greatly enhanced through separate pathways, which makes it another cheap addition to PCT. I don't know about you but libido is important to me haha. There is a product by USP Labs called PowerFULL that a lot of people have given some great feedback on. They report increased libido, strength, and I am not positive but I believe someones blood work came back with higher test levels, although I can't confirm that. I believe they use higher potencies (or so they say).

Cortisol Inhibition: As you know cortisol is a hormone that has effects opposite that of testosterone, it breaks down anything it comes in contact with, including muscle tissue (for use as glucose). Test has been shown to reduce cortisol levels quite significantly while on cycle (I have posted this study on Anabolic Minds before) and so I would probably start with a slightly lower dosage of a product like Lean Extreme by Designer Supplements and then work your way up a little bit each week.

LR3 IGF-1: This is probably the best overall PCT supplement one could take. Everyone I know, including myself, who has used this in PCT not only got leaner but gained weight in PCT. It is pretty expensive but it all comes down to what you are looking to gain out of PCT and how much you are willing to spend.

Cycle Support Supplements: Things like Hawthorn, Milk Thistle, etc. These are probably one of the most important things to take while on and after your cycle because if you don't keep yourself healthy you won't be able to cycle very long. You can either buy a crapload of pills and bottles in the store or you can go with Cycle Support from Anabolic Innovations and you get a 30 day supply (in powder form that you mix with your protein shake) for ~1 dollar per day.

Again, I just wrote all of this so you can get an idea of what is out there for PCT. I am in no way saying you need all of this. But they are things you can look into and decide if you want. I would definitely recommend the SERM/DHEA/Saponin combo though since a SERM is mandatory and the oral DHEA and saponins are cheap as hell and you probably can get both together for like 25 bucks.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:22 AM   #8
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Thanks for the help Lake!I checked out Cycle Support and it is excellent product!Will definitly use during all my future cycles.I am gonna be using IGF-1 that I won on another forum thru a lottery they have once in a while.This is the first time that I've ever used IGF-1.I did alot of research and I think will start out at 60Mcg. total daily for a month.Thanks again bro!
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Thanks for the help Lake!I checked out Cycle Support and it is excellent product!Will definitly use during all my future cycles.I am gonna be using IGF-1 that I won on another forum thru a lottery they have once in a while.This is the first time that I've ever used IGF-1.I did alot of research and I think will start out at 60Mcg. total daily for a month.Thanks again bro!
60 is sort of high but read the following thread. It is a thread I created to explain why less frequency of injections is the way to go with these compounds.

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...ter-taken.html
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:53 PM   #10
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Thank you for the info Lake!I will just take 60mcg. EOD and see what results I get.
The research I was doing on IGF-1 was all wrong on the other forum they stated to pin 30mcg. twice a day every day which would of been way too much.Thanks again bro!
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