[silversky]

Im 21 6 ft 190 lbs ive been lifting for 2 years now and learning something new every day....making me even more frustrated. Im not using AAs as an easy way out, im doing it for that thrill, and the fact that we all know what the results are if done properly. I need AAS unlike most of you for I have an F@#$ed up chest and I believe AAs will help. (Please see pics below. My diet can and will be allot better starting today.
ok so I found a source for test e (im not going to take yet im just getting it now while its available...its rare around here) I need to know every thing there is to know before I do this. I have some questions:
1.) I was told to 500mg twice a week (monday,thrusday) is this right?
2.) How long of a cycle is recommended?
3.)whats the proper PCT to use?
4.) Is there anything else I need to take while using?
5.) When injecting do I change the area up ever so often?
6.) What should I go get checked out for by the doctor before during and after the cycle?

My reasoning behind doing AAS is the following:
I have pectus excavatum (dip in the sternum)
And im determined to build muscle in place of it....
im have a hard time doing so. My thinking is AAS will
help me accomplish this.

if your going to get in here and start saying your not ready bla bla bla
please dont im to going to do this for another year or two. I will do it after
I have the perfect diet and work out program for me.
Please answer my questions above and or add to it.

[FitnFirm]

I dont think any products will help you chest issue, those are ribs under the skin, you cannot change the shape and design of them with anything, It doesnt look bad at all, I really dont see why you are so obsessed with it.


If you are not going to do your cycle for 1-2 years, then you have plenty of time to research the information you need.

But like you said, You are going to get your training and diet together right!!!! Lets take it one step at a time, dont overwhelm yourself! Patients my friend :)

[silversky]

My inner chest muscles are really thin, and im having a hard time fixing that problem. It seems as if my outer chest keeps building but my inner just points and laughs...
and you would not understand the discomfort of having the problem that I do, you have a great body and proly always had a desent body. Try starting from 6ft 155 LBS and getting to where I am now and still not see any progress in the inner chest. you cant see how deep it is from the pic...its horrible but enough of pity on my self, people can tell me all day long Coke is addicting and once you try it you wont be able to get off... well I did coke and I did get hooked but I dropped it as fast as I snorted my first line. So basically you can tell me AAs wont help bring your rib cage out and build my inner chest.... but im telling you it will. I’ll post pics to prove it. (well it better because if not I will look like a jack ass)

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by silversky

My inner chest muscles are really thin, and im having a hard time fixing that problem. It seems as if my outer chest keeps building but my inner just points and laughs...
and you would not understand the discomfort of having the problem that I do, you have a great body and proly always had a desent body. Try starting from 6ft 155 LBS and getting to where I am now and still not see any progress in the inner chest. you cant see how deep it is from the pic...its horrible but enough of pity on my self, people can tell me all day long Coke is addicting and once you try it you wont be able to get off... well I did coke and I did get hooked but I dropped it as fast as I snorted my first line. So basically you can tell me AAs wont help bring your rib cage out and build my inner chest.... but im telling you it will. I’ll post pics to prove it. (well it better because if not I will look like a jack ass)

Well, Ill tell ya, I also have a birth defect, you havent seen the front of me, I have an extra rib on one side and I hate it, it sticks out and looks stupid, but nothing I can do about it so life goes on ya know!!!

Im not trying to stop you from doing anything, you will do what you want no matter what, I just hope you are not too disappointed if it doesnt work for you. I wish you the best of luck in reaching your goals!!!! Im always happy to help with diet ideas whenever you might need some help :)

[silversky]

and i thank you for every thing im sure you will hate me in a few weeks because im going to get this diet thing down. im going to play around on fitday for awhile and i will post up when i get the hang of it. Oh and as for the extra rib thing i highly doubt peolple are looking at your rib when they see you....

[vin.diesel]

1. I'd recommend 250mg 2x a week. So that's 500mg TOTAL. 1g/week is too high to start.

2. 12-16 weeks. 12 weeks is a good start

3. That's a can of worms. Nolvadex/Clomid, Arimidex, HCG combo will work. There is so much "opinion" on PCT it's ridiculous. PCT is also a good time to throw in some CEE, Fenugreek, DHEA in addition to the above.

4. Yes... take a look at Cycle Support from Annabolic Innovations. They're a sponsor here. Great company, great products. Research the ingredients in Cycle Support and that will give you a good understanding of what/why you need.

5. Yes, change the area. Glutes are probably easiest on pain after injection. Thighs CAN be good, and delts seem to be hard for many. I prefer delts and don't get much pain at all. Research injecting and proper techniques. Take a look at www . spotinjections . com

6. As for checkups, typically you can't get bloodwork done that often. Usually once per year. There are workarounds though.... especially if you've got a good doc, or a family friend, etc. But, I HIGHLY recommend getting initial blood work done. That's going to be YOUR baseline. No one can tell you for sure where YOU should be on anything. Some people simply will be higher for some values. Get everything you can done... testesterone/liver/basic blood, etc. Tell the doc you want to know what your test is compared to the rest of the people your age... you just want to make sure. Most will do it. Also, ASK FOR THE RESULTS. THEY WILL GIVE THEM TO YOU. Don't let your doc give you any BS. Your first baseline is important. Like I said, it's YOUR baseline.

[quote=silversky]
1.) I was told to 500mg twice a week (monday,thrusday) is this right?
2.) How long of a cycle is recommended?
3.)whats the proper PCT to use?
4.) Is there anything else I need to take while using?
5.) When injecting do I change the area up ever so often?
6.) What should I go get checked out for by the doctor before during and after the cycle?

[Stinger124]

Nice Reply Vin Diesel...

[SVTMuscle]

Vin pretty much summed it up.

For PCT I would run
Clomid, Nolva, and Letro. and run Adex throughout the cycle.

[LakeMountD]

Originally Posted by SVTMuscle

Vin pretty much summed it up.

For PCT I would run
Clomid, Nolva, and Letro. and run Adex throughout the cycle.

Horrible advice here. Letro is a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor and should NOT be run in PCT as it is suppressive. Steroidal aromatase inhibitors, however, such as 6-bromo or ATD are okay but I am not a huge fan of them as they kill libido.

Vin.Diesel: Excellent post, it is basically exactly what I would have replied. Mon/Thurs. injections at 250mg x 2 is usually recommended for a first timer on test e. Make sure you have either letro or arimidex on hand, however, since bloat is DEF. gonna be a problem on test. e. and gyno is often associated with it as well and you don't want to be caught with your dick in your hands when it comes to gyno. 12 weeks is always a good place to start but make sure you understand you CANNOT START YOUR PCT RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST INJECTION, you have to wait since the enanthate esters last so long.

As for PCT I like something like this:

Nolvadex or Toremifene (40/30/20/20 and 120/90/60/60 respectively)
DHEA (200/150/100/50)
Fenugreek (for libido 3/4/5/6 pills daily)
Lean Extreme (for blocking cortisol 2/3/4/4 pills daily)

Other ideas:
CEE (I notice it is nice to add this for the strength effects)
PowerFULL (in place of fenugreek, really good for strength and libido enhancement)
Magnesium/Zinc (before bed helps sleep and raise test levels 500mg/25mg)


Obviously things like the lean extreme, fenugreek, and DHEA are all recommendations but for the price of fenugreek and DHEA they are outstanding additions to a PCT and I recommend you spend the 20 dollars it costs to buy both of them together. The lean extreme will help you save some of your gains later on in your PCT and help keep you a little leaner. It all depends on the price you want to spend.

[vin.diesel]

That's pretty important! I think that can be overlooked by people starting their first cycle. It takes 2 weeks for that longer ester to stop so starting PCT any sooner than about 2 weeks is a waste.

And agreed on the cortisol blocker... I forgot about that. I'd pick Lean Xtreme over almost anything in this category.

Good luck and let us know if you need more help/clarification.

Originally Posted by LakeMountD

12 weeks is always a good place to start but make sure you understand you CANNOT START YOUR PCT RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST INJECTION, you have to wait since the enanthate esters last so long.

[CROWLER]

Originally Posted by silversky

My inner chest muscles are really thin, and im having a hard time fixing that problem. It seems as if my outer chest keeps building but my inner just points and laughs...
and you would not understand the discomfort of having the problem that I do, you have a great body and proly always had a desent body. Try starting from 6ft 155 LBS and getting to where I am now and still not see any progress in the inner chest. you cant see how deep it is from the pic...its horrible but enough of pity on my self, people can tell me all day long Coke is addicting and once you try it you wont be able to get off... well I did coke and I did get hooked but I dropped it as fast as I snorted my first line. So basically you can tell me AAs wont help bring your rib cage out and build my inner chest.... but im telling you it will. I’ll post pics to prove it. (well it better because if not I will look like a jack ass)

Ok time for a dose of reality here. It will only sting for a few months but then you will learn from it instead of wasting YEARS like I did. I have the exact same problems you do with the ribs and the lack of inner and upper pec development.

Ok I started out same height and 5lbs less. You don't have any inner chest mucsle showing because you really have very little chest muscles showing at all.

Simply put you need to increase the size of your chest ALOT Then you can determine if you have no inner chest muscle or it was just because it wasn't developed.

then you can think about Syntherol because that or surgury is the only 2 things that will make a major change. If you disagree then why are their professional bodybuilders with VERY little upper chest deveolpment compared to their lower. It is because you can do incline presses and pec deck flyes and stretch the HECK out of your chest and if you are not genetically predisposed to have the inner cleavage and high upper chest development you just aint gonna get it.

As far as your ribs sticking out in reality even though you only weigh 155lbs you are fat in your love handle area which makes the ribs APPEAR to stick out more because of the indentation between your love handles and your ribs.

Clean up the diet and do cardio properly and you will see a dramatic differance. You are not over weight but you are over fat for your weight.

PLEASE believe me I had the EXACT same thing and if I don't watch what I do I get it back in VERY little time.

Good news is you CAN do something about it.

I am now at 220lbs and no longer have the love hadles so a gain of about 80lbs of muscle. BUT it is almost 30 years in the making :)

As far as doing AAS, I know you wont like this, but you are not ready. Your diet is no good, that is easy to tell from your pictures. I can throw stones because my diet is not as good as it should be. Me and others telling you differently is only going to hurt you in the long run. You really should lose 10lbs of fat and gain 15lbs or more of muscle before you even consider AAS.

All the problems you have now will come back a couple months after you are off your AAs. If you don't eat correctly now you will NEVER eat correctly during PCT and afterwards. All you gains and money will be gone and the only answer will be HEY do another cycle.

PLEASE believe me I am not picking on you. I only wish someone had spoken directly to me like this when I was starting out I wouldn't have wasted literally 10s of years doing the wrong things expecting to get the correct results.


CROWLER

[ryanmalone43]

Originally Posted by CROWLER

Ok time for a dose of reality here. It will only sting for a few months but then you will learn from it instead of wasting YEARS like I did. I have the exact same problems you do with the ribs and the lack of inner and upper pec development.

Ok I started out same height and 5lbs less. You don't have any inner chest mucsle showing because you really have very little chest muscles showing at all.

Simply put you need to increase the size of your chest ALOT Then you can determine if you have no inner chest muscle or it was just because it wasn't developed.

then you can think about Syntherol because that or surgury is the only 2 things that will make a major change. If you disagree then why are their professional bodybuilders with VERY little upper chest deveolpment compared to their lower. It is because you can do incline presses and pec deck flyes and stretch the HECK out of your chest and if you are not genetically predisposed to have the inner cleavage and high upper chest development you just aint gonna get it.

As far as your ribs sticking out in reality even though you only weigh 155lbs you are fat in your love handle area which makes the ribs APPEAR to stick out more because of the indentation between your love handles and your ribs.

Clean up the diet and do cardio properly and you will see a dramatic differance. You are not over weight but you are over fat for your weight.

PLEASE believe me I had the EXACT same thing and if I don't watch what I do I get it back in VERY little time.

Good news is you CAN do something about it.

I am now at 220lbs and no longer have the love hadles so a gain of about 80lbs of muscle. BUT it is almost 30 years in the making :)

As far as doing AAS, I know you wont like this, but you are not ready. Your diet is no good, that is easy to tell from your pictures. I can throw stones because my diet is not as good as it should be. Me and others telling you differently is only going to hurt you in the long run. You really should lose 10lbs of fat and gain 15lbs or more of muscle before you even consider AAS.

All the problems you have now will come back a couple mont