[Animal981]

Weeks 1-4 20mg of dbol on training days, 10mg on off days
Weeks 1-2 1000mg of Test E a week, 3 shots a week (front load)
Weeks 3-4 750mg of Test E a week, 2 shots a week
Weeks 5-12 500mg of Test E a week, 2 shots a week

This is my first cycle. I need opinions on the following: For a first cycle is the test amount used excessive or will it yield more lbm gain? Would pct be acceptable looking something like this: 2 weeks after last shot 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg (each doseage representing a weeks time) of nolvadex.

[idunk42]

Dont frontload man. Just stick with a basica 12 week cycle at 500mg/wk. This a perfect first cycle.

[idunk42]

of test e that is.

[Knuckles]

And your pct sucks... do some research and look into using some hcg to get urself back up. Nolvadex alone is not gunna cut it, especislly if you do run those high doses. Front loading is great, but I'm guessing ur not taking any aromatose inhibitor while on???? u didnt mention it, so i assume ur not. Ur estrogen will rise with the frontloading of test and when the test slightly drops the estrogen will still be high, leaving you with some possible sides. One is a limp dick...... no good. Avoid frontloading for now and keep it simple.

[LakeMountD]

I would definitely not lower your dosage from 750 to 500 towards the end. It doesn't really make much sense to do so as you are going to be completely shutdown after all of that time anyways. Frontloading is fine on the enanthates as it took me about 2-3 weeks to really start noticing the test. Your frontload dosage isn't all that high either so that will work (only 250mg higher per week).

Personally your PCT does SUCCCCKKK. You better be prepared to lose a lot of weight and feel like absolute crap if you plan on only using Nolvadex.

Here is what a PCT should look like:

SERM: Nolvadex or Toremifene (40/30/20/20 or 120/90/60/60)
DHEA: 200/150/100/50mg weeks 1-4
Saponins: (fenugreek or tribulus for libido) 3 caps daily then increasing 1 cap daily every week (3/4/5/6 for weeks 1-4). PowerFULL also works.
Cortisol Reducer: Lean Xtreme is one that I recommend (2/3/4/4 caps daily weeks 1-4)
LR3 IGF-1: If you can afford it, this is about as good a help as you can get
Support Supplements: To fully recover your body's lipid/liver/etc. profile you should definitely get something to help out. Cycle Support works from Anabolic Innovations

[BPMartyr]

Many people, myself included, have used Nolva only for PCT and recovered just fine. All that other stuff is great, and I advocate and use it, but it is not necessary. IMHO

[Animal981]

Aye. I've heard the same. Nolva only has done alright for the people I've spoken with.

[Mulletsoldier]

I think the inclusion of the supplements Lake mentioned is more of what could be called a "New School Approach". If I am not mistaken this method came about as a response to the quick and severe hormonal imbalance created by the Designer Steroids of recent years. I too know many seasoned injectable anabolic users who use soley Clomid/Novla/HCG to recover.

[Animal981]

Mulletsolider what would you suggest I do for pct if I was to do the cycle listed? Would 40/40/20/20 be suffient?

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Animal981

Mulletsolider what would you suggest I do for pct if I was to do the cycle listed? Would 40/40/20/20 be suffient?

If you were only going to go research chemical PCT then yes, those dosages for Novla would be fine. Are you planning on implelementing HCG or Clomid as well? Or strictly Novla? Also, do you plan on starting Novla on your last injection or at a point afterwards?

I should say though, neither me or Lake is right perse, just two different methods that both have quality results.

[LakeMountD]

I would personally go to either 40/30/20/20 or 40/40/30/20 or something similar. Helps keep some of the rebound effect down. You will still get some of it after the 20 anyways but hey the easier you step it down the better, or well I have noticed with me anyways. I always keep a small amount of ADT on hand for PCT when I am dropping the SERM dosage.

As Mullet said, neither of us are "right". It is just two different approaches to PCT. Personally I rather spend the extra 40 bucks and have a higher libido and lose less of what I gained on cycle. I only get to run 2-3 long cycles per year and definitely want to make the most of them!

There are multiple studies that prove DHEA is a potent test. increasing agent, without suppression, in males 50+. You might say well hey I am not 50 years old but in PCT your test levels will mimick those of an old man . In fact the studies I have show significant increases in test levels at as low of a dosage as 50mg daily oral! I have also read studies on the long term efficacy and safety of DHEA and they ran I believe 250mg daily for 6 months with no side effects of suppression. It is cheap enough that it is beneficial to add in.

The saponins are only like another 7 bucks (for Fenugreek) and again I would definitely rather pay 7 bucks to keep the libido up in PCT.

I never like to consider a cycle a "budget" cycle. If you are running a budget cycle you should probably wait and save up more money to run it proper, with an oustanding PCT, etc. But that is just my .02.

[Animal981]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

If you were only going to go research chemical PCT then yes, those dosages for Novla would be fine. Are you planning on implelementing HCG or Clomid as well? Or strictly Novla? Also, do you plan on starting Novla on your last injection or at a point afterwards?

I should say though, neither me or Lake is right perse, just two different methods that both have quality results.

I'd like to stick to strictly nolva as I have a bunch of it on hand at the moment. Meaning I wouldn't need to purchase anymore. I would like to start it 2 weeks after my last injection.