[GoingBiG]

My advices for postcycle

What is a PCT?

PCT stands for Post Cycle Therapy, and it's a small cycle done after your AAS cycle to recover HPTA(hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis).

Why would I want recover my HPTA?

After you have been on a cycle your HPTA will be supressed. When it is you won't produce testosterone.. Without testosterone it will be very hard to keep the gains you have done on the cycle.

What will i need for postcycle?

I always recommend HCG(Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and clomiphene or tamoxifen.

HCG is a peptid-hormone. It sends a false signal to the testicles about producing testosterone but HCG still suppress LH(Luteinizing Hormone) and FSH(Follicular Stimulating Hormone). You testicles might shrink during an AAS cycle, HCG can prevent that.

Clomiphene and Tamoxifen are used to recover LH.

So how would you administrate HCG?

Lets say you have done this cycle:

Week 1-8 500 mg Testosterone Enanthate Every week

You could administrate HCG during the cycle(i have good experience doing that) or you can do it after the last shot of testosterone until the PCT starts.

If you chose doing it during the cycle then 2 shots a week with 500IU should be enough.

If you choose doing it in the time between the cycle and PCT i recommend 2000-2500IU every 5th day until postcycle starts. Keep in mind that doses that high can cause gyno. So therefor you might use somekind of anti-estrogen or SERM (tamoxifen fx. 20 mg)

HCG can be shot I.M(intra muscular) or subcutaneous (beneath the skin). Shooting I.M will make the half-life longer. I recommend subcutaneous.

When does postcycle starts?

It's different from wich ester(half-life) you are using. You take the half-life an multiply it with 2. Enanthates half-life is 10½ days 10½x2=21 days. So postcycle starts 3 weeks after the last shot of testosterone enanthate.

But how much tamoxifen or clomiphene?

Nolvadex is usual:

2 weeks with 40 mg everyday
2 weeks with 20 mg everyday.

Clomiphene is usaul:

Day 1: 300 mg everyday
Day 2-11: 100 mg everyday
Day11-23: 50 mg everyday

I recommend the tamoxifen postcycle because clomiphene can have more side effects than tamoxifen.


Let me say that this is is based on my and other peoples experience and on what I have found on the different internet sides(pubmed fx.).

I will recommend you to read this:

Normalizing Testosterone Production and Management of Polycythemia after treatment with Anabolic Steroids: A new treatment protocol

Side effects Sources on clomiphene:
Visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene citrate.
Arch Ophthalmol. 1995 Apr;113(4):482-4
Optic neuropathy associated with clomiphene citrate therapy.
Fertil Steril. 1994 Feb;61(2):390-1


I will go deeper with some of the tings when i have time..

Feel free to ask or if you have any comments or think i'm wrong with anything. Cause i could sure be.

[Johnny Bravo]

Great post. I'd rep you if I could, bro

[GoingBiG]

Thx, bro.. That mean a lot to me... I will add sources and i will update this thread if i get new information...

[philosopher]

great post

[philosopher]

for the record

1 cc is one cubic centimeter. 1 ml is 1 milliliter. They are exactly the same. 1 cc = 1 ml. These are volumetric assignments according to the metric system, the system used by 95% of the world. They indicate a volume, not a weight.

1 mg is 1 milligram. Its a weight measurement. In exact weight one could compare 1000 mg of any substance to 1 ml of any fluid, but depending on the substance and the fluid this will slightly differ. there is no exact match between weight and volume. The amount of mg per ml is always smaller than 500 or otherwise it would no longer be liquid. But basically it can range from 1 mg to 400 mg for every ml. It depends on the product and should be listed on the vial or amp. If it states 250 mg/ml then 1 ml or 1 CC contains exactly 250 mg. No more, no less. If it states 20 mg/ml, then each ml or each CC contains 20 mg. And so on. ITS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU COMPREHEND THAT THE AMOUNTS OF MG PER ML WILL DIFFER FOR EVERY PRODUCT, AND THAT THERE IS NO RELATION BETWEEN WEIGHT AND VOLUME.

1 mcg of 1 µg is 1 microgram. A measurement 1000 times smaller than a mg. Clenbuterol and T3 for example are expressed in such small amounts. basically one can state that 1 mcg = 0.001 mg.
So if your clenbuterol is 20 mcg, then its the same as 0.02 mg

1 IU is an international Unit. This is product-specific, because this number will differ for every substance. 1 IU of VItamin D is not the same amount as 1 Iu of HCG. And so forth. IU's are always different and can only be expressed in reference to 1 and the same product.

[bodydropped]

great posts

[Flex]

good post BIGGIE.

[Tribex]

To clear things up a lil bit...
Avoid using clomid or nolva (tamox) alone, they are best if used together. They have two totally different functions. First off, as stated above, clomid is necessary for recovering LH levels, its gonna get your boys workin again. However, Nolva is not for this purpose. Nolva is an anti-estrogen in that it competes for estrogen binding sites in the body. By doing this it elimates changes for estrogen to bind as it increases due to increase testosterone levels. Nolva is used to prevent side effects suchs a gyno (bitch tits) and some bloating as well.
So, both nolva and clomid must be run together. My opinion, and some will disagree, is that HCG is not needed if the cycle is kept under 14 weeks. If more than that, then include HCG.
Nolva should be run at 10mg everday throughout the cycle, and at 20mg everday for pct (unless prone to gyno, in which case it can be run higher). Clomid should be run at 100mg everday for the first week, then 50mg everday for the following two weeks. After that, you should be golden.

Personally, I also belive liquidex should be run during the cycle at .25mg everday and continued through pct to prevent bloating, but its not a necessity like clomid or nolva.
-Tribex

[GoingBiG]

Both clomid and nolva will recover LH... And they are both in the group of drugs called SERM - Selective estrogen receptor Moduler, and could both be called anti-estrogen as well..

[Tribex]

Posted by LuvMuhRoids

Nolva is the dominating SERM in pct. Both nolva and clomid are SERMS but tissue specific or selective to certain areas. The case of clomid v nolva is clomid is a weak anti-estrogen blocker as opposed to nolvadex but clomid is needed to stimulate LH levels back to normal thus it's specific use. Nolvadex is selective in this aspect that it's main purpose as studies show is a weak estrogen and binds to receptors during PCT.

Nolvadex is needed for what I call the estrogen back lash one will recieve during the off time right after a cycle. When androgen levels drop estrogen flushs the receptors and nolvadex is needed. To not hinder gains or keep them longer, it is suggestable to restore the balance as quick as possible. Clomid is suggestable for this even though clomid is an anti-estrogen as well this is shown to be not it's selection.

To conclude, both SERMS are neccessary for proper restoration and serve both purposes needed in PCT. One, clomid to restore LH levels back to normal. Two, nolvadex to act as the anti-estrogen and block the flush.

Lastly, studies show that using a secondary product like nolvadex along clomid usage helps assist it by diverting clomids attention to LH stimulation only. If nolvadex is not used then clomid will be forced to take on both problems acting as an anti-estrogen and LH stimulator.

[Shredded247]

The last post cycle I done I only used nolvadex and I recovered rather slowly from all the aromatization of test into estrogen. I'll for sure use your info on my next cycle. Great post BIGGIE!

[philosopher]

very good article with lots of info:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

[king james]

will you need to take a PCT after all types of steroids

such as Turanabol?