[matty]

Anyone know about stacking Winny with Clen, I need to lose my flubber before i start the real deal and heard about this, any info would help....thx dudes....

[mindstar]

IMO, clen, exercise and diet alone is more than enough to drop serious weight. The winny won't help you cut, but rather help spare muscle mass while cutting...that said, clen has a simmilar, if milder effect.

[big04pimpin]

Originally Posted by mindstar

IMO, clen, exercise and diet alone is more than enough to drop serious weight. The winny won't help you cut, but rather help spare muscle mass while cutting...that said, clen has a simmilar, if milder effect.

I have read in articles that in humans clen is a catabolic, not an anabolic like in some lab test animals. Might want to go do some research on it and little further and see if its right for you. Could just stick with a ECA stack.

[front_row]

Originally Posted by big04pimpin

I have read in articles that in humans clen is a catabolic, not an anabolic like in some lab test animals. Might want to go do some research on it and little further and see if its right for you. Could just stick with a ECA stack.

He said it would spare muscle while dropping fat, not build a ton of muscle while dropping fat. Clen is anti-catabolic in humans, but in cattle its quite anabolic due to different types of receptors. Probably the studies you're thinking of.

[Diesel]

how much fat are we talking? percentage that is...

[matty]

About 18%, i love pop-tarts-jk-

[Palmetto]

Drop the bodyfat with good diet and exersize then when you get it lower go with the Clen and Winny. I say 18% is still too high, don't look for the easy way out bro, good diet and exersize you should drop 2-3 lbs. a week, then use the clen and winny to top it off at the end of your cut. Just my .02

[matty]

Thanks man, just so you know I am not taking any easy ways out I started getting into BB only 5 months ago and then i was a sloppy 208lbs and somwhere around 25%BF standing at 5'6"! I have been working my ass off, literally! With the guidance of a friend who has been bodybuilding for about 2 years I have gotten to where I am at now (175lbs-18%BF) and it was He who suggested this, I did some research on my own and found that these two have very little side effects but burn an awesome amount of fat, I was only looking for another opinion from people who know! Thanks for your input though :0)

[fog_hat1981]

Yes matty - you are a genius. Winny without any kind of test as a base has little to virtually no side effects at all. Drink up research guru...

In other words - don't take Winny on its own - it DOES have too many bad side effects (even with test) and are only more pronounced when run alone.

As for your 5 month endeavor, I find it to be great that you have made such wonderful progress. However, you need at least another 3-4 years of serious training before you should subject yourself to drugs.

Either way, your diet will make or break you (with drugs or without) so get busy researching that aspect of the lifestyle (about 75% of it anyways) and leave the anabolics for your friend to play with.

[Palmetto]

Either way, your diet will make or break you (with drugs or without)

Very well said fog. Just clean up your diet bro. If you think you can't clean it up anymore, I'm sure you could. Just post it up in the nutrition section and let us know what your cut diet is and I'm sure you will get more than enough responses on ways to improve it. Great work so far though! You are doing an awesome job!

[cliffy]

Originally Posted by matty

Thanks man, just so you know I am not taking any easy ways out I started getting into BB only 5 months ago and then i was a sloppy 208lbs and somwhere around 25%BF standing at 5'6"! I have been working my ass off, literally! With the guidance of a friend who has been bodybuilding for about 2 years I have gotten to where I am at now (175lbs-18%BF) and it was He who suggested this, I did some research on my own and found that these two have very little side effects but burn an awesome amount of fat, I was only looking for another opinion from people who know! Thanks for your input though :0)

very little side effect!!

do your research properly mate, clen can serioulsy fuck up your heart if not taken with caution, so make sure you understand tappering, down regulation of receptors etc first

or just use eca to be on the safe side

to be honest i would cos you've only been training for a short while, plenty of years to experiment with harsher meds

[matty]

thanks guys i was being a moron

i have tightened up my diet and am going to World Gym so i am not gonna worry about gear until that time comes!

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by matty

About 18%, i love pop-tarts-jk-

I already like u bro!

I like potarts too