[imraan47]

wanted to know what u guys think on the following cycles as a 1st one...this could be for a bulking up cycle, weight starting at about 170-175lbs...clean diet, high protein, moderate carbs, 20% fat:

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg / week only for 10 weeks
PCT:
HCG 3000iu for 3wks, and
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 40mg/ed for 1wk, 40mg/ed for 2wk, 20mg/ed
for 3wk, etc.

Should one add Clomid or no? if yes..at what doses? Personally i dont think it would be necessary to use Clomid
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8 Week long Cycle:
2,000mg Primobolan Depot or Primobol for 200mg/week?
1,120mg Anavar
1,400mg Winstrol (Tabs)

Same PCT as above!

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12 week cycle:
500mg/Sustanon per week
week 1-3 /Anavar - 50mg/week
and last 3 weeks Anavar - 50mg/week
PCT:
HCG: 1500iu M W F for 3wks,
pct: 40/40/20/20 for nolvadex, 40mg/ed for week1, 40mg/edfor week
2, 20 for week 3, etc.

[Diesel]

build a better base with a body fat under 15%

[imraan47]

Originally Posted by Diesel

build a better base with a body fat under 15%

huh? are u refering to me? lol no i have made these samples to see what you guys think and if you would advice someone to take those? they are not for me man. i dont plan to take them anytime soon but im just researching and putting things together for opinions
BTW: i am down to 12-13% BF...ignore the pics u have seen as thats not me anymore. wish i can prove it..im planning on getting a dig. cam soon!

[robcardu]

the first one eventhough i`d use 500mg p/w and 6 or 8 weeks

[imraan47]

i think i have to change 250mg to 500mg for the first one..250mg is too little to cause much of an effect with good set of results provided on a good diet and training! what do u mean by p/w?? why would u say 6-8 only as supposed to 10 weeks?

[imraan47]

SORRY GUYS I JUST REALIZED A TYPO I MADE. i meant to say 12% body fat i a put 20%..just make a note. sorry Disel...
definately no way in hell it makes sense to be on test like the above cycles on a 20% bf

[robcardu]

LOl i noticed and thought dang!! Imraan is getting fat...nice off-season.


yeh according to what i`ve used 500 mg weekly is a good start no risk and really good effect, and 10 weeks seem too long for me. just a thought.

Sorry p/w=per week,...i just made that up. lol

[imraan47]

LOL i thought u taking 500mg post workout..i was almost going to die hearing that!!! any coments on the PCT?

[robcardu]

Originally Posted by imraan47

LOL i thought u taking 500mg post workout..i was almost going to die hearing that!!! any coments on the PCT?

LOL 500mg with breakfast mix with your proteinshake and then pre and post workout.


the PCT seems good to me, probably add 50mg of proviron weekly.

[roccodart440]

Originally Posted by imraan47

wanted to know what u guys think on the following cycles as a 1st one...this could be for a bulking up cycle, weight starting at about 170-175lbs...clean diet, high protein, moderate carbs, 20% fat:

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg / week only for 10 weeks
PCT:
HCG 3000iu for 3wks, and
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 40mg/ed for 1wk, 40mg/ed for 2wk, 20mg/ed
for 3wk, etc.

Should one add Clomid or no? if yes..at what doses? Personally i dont think it would be necessary to use Clomid
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8 Week long Cycle:
2,000mg Primobolan Depot or Primobol for 200mg/week?
1,120mg Anavar
1,400mg Winstrol (Tabs)

Same PCT as above!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

12 week cycle:
500mg/Sustanon per week
week 1-3 /Anavar - 50mg/week
and last 3 weeks Anavar - 50mg/week
PCT:
HCG: 1500iu M W F for 3wks,
pct: 40/40/20/20 for nolvadex, 40mg/ed for week1, 40mg/edfor week
2, 20 for week 3, etc.

The 3rd cycle is the best one but the hcg use is wrong.

How do you get to be a VIP memeber here and never have done a cycle or at least know the answer to the question you asked?

[imraan47]

Well i think being a VIP dosen't have an influence on whether or not you have done a cycle. No offence!
Neways, i dont see what i have done wrong when i put down HCG, if u can clarify that up for me, i would appriciate it alot. Unless you are refering to how HCG comes. This cycle is followed with about 4500IU HCG per week, for 3 weeks, i.e. 1500iu M W F for 3wks.

[robcardu]

Originally Posted by roccodart440

How do you get to be a VIP memeber here and never have done a cycle or at least know the answer to the question you asked?

huh?!?!?!!?

[Ghosting]

Ditch HCG in PCT, its suppressive. HCG may be used the first two days of PCT for a big boost, but continued use is suppressive. Clomid will make your balls fill up faster, but Nolva is better than clomid at raising test, thats what counts. Clomid is used in fertility clinics and is nice for the mental aspect of having full balls again. Like rob was saying, 500mg test E/week. Me personally, I would run test E for 10-12 weeks, especially if you plan to use HCG for a little jump start.

[imraan47]

Originally Posted by Ghosting

Ditch HCG in PCT, its suppressive. HCG may be used the first two days of PCT for a big boost, but continued use is suppressive. Clomid will make your balls fill up faster, but Nolva is better than clomid at raising test, thats what counts. Clomid is used in fertility clinics and is nice for the mental aspect of having full balls again. Like rob was saying, 500mg test E/week. Me personally, I would run test E for 10-12 weeks, especially if you plan to use HCG for a little jump start.

DAMN ... what u have said there really contradicts what i have been reading about. HCG is recomended and in another post i have made with regard to Clomid, Nolva, and HCG use for PCT, it mentions a few important things. thats why i decided to put in HCG at about 5000IU /week. Now u mention 10-12 week on Test E, i think for a first time, that would be way to harsh on anyones system.